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The range is Chinese CLTC range, which is a more generous rating than the US range ratings. It's an impressive range number, but don't try to compare it direct
by Aurornis 8mo ago
The range is Chinese CLTC range, which is a more generous rating than the US range ratings.
It's an impressive range number, but don't try to compare it directly to range numbers for other EVs.
The current gen SU7 is available with an 830km CLTC range. If you drive one on real roads, you will not get 830km of range. :)
- woleium 8mo agowhat will you get?
- Aurornis 8mo agoSome of the reviews have been able to get as much as 80% of the rated range under ideal conditions. The CLTC doesn't measure actual highway usage well at all. If you drive a lot on highways and use the air conditioning you could be closer to 60% of rated range.
- CrimsonRain 8mo ago~30% less. So about 600km. Still a very good number.
- bryanlarsen 8mo agoArticle says that'll be about 400 miles in the real world.
- DetroitThrow 8mo ago300-400 miles depending on conditions
- gambiting 8mo agoThat's still phenomenal imho.
- Bimos 8mo agoMy car is 605km in CLTC and 492km in WLTP. And it runs for about 450km before battery totally die, so I have to charge for every about 400~420km. A bit cold and totally no hill here in Shanghai. So for 900km CLTC, I think it will go like at least 600~650km easily.
- dheera 8mo agoThe US ranges are also way overestimated. My Tesla long range gets about 60% of advertised range in real world conditions. I'm talking stop signs every block, mountains you need to drive across, insanely hot days, i.e. the real world. I knew that would be the case, but I really wish there was a crackdown on this. Advertised range should be the mean of the distribution, not the max. In fact EV manufacturers should be required to publish the distribution and they should have to pay a KL divergence penalty on it that will be distributed to EV buyers as rebates. It would also require the courts to learn about KL divergence, which I would really love to happen. We need countries run by engineers, not clowns.
- November_Echo 8mo ago> Advertised range should be the mean of the distribution, not the max. Distribution of what? Assuming you mean the distribution of driving range achieved 'in the real world', how would that work before a car is sold? How often would it have to be updated in their advertising material? Over what sort of area would the distribution be calculated? How would anyone know if the advertised range of two different cars was even comparable? Whilst the standardised tests could be improved, they are still the best way to compare products. > should have to pay a KL divergence penalty on it that will be distributed to EV buyers as rebates I get about 15% more range than advertised, should I have to pay a penalty for this?
- garbagewoman 8mo agoYes factor all of those things in
- amadeoeoeo 8mo agoThere are many variables and scenarios, yes. This, however, is not an excuse not to provide some more data points that help people estimate what they are really getting... Anyway Tesla has data from all their cars, they could use that.
- bestouff 8mo agoI think we now have the mathematical tools to compute that correctly, given some vehicle parameters. This is not rocket science !
- epolanski 8mo agoYou don't get real mileage out of the declared Tesla ones either.
- jigneshdarji91 8mo agoYep, I get 240 mile range on my 330 mile range Model Y.
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- bryanlarsen 8mo agoHow fast are you driving to get that kind of drop? That's a lot worse than what I experience. I find I get the EPA range driving 55 in the summer.
- xeromal 8mo agoIf you live anywhere will hills, wind, or cold weather you'll experience this
- bryanlarsen 8mo agoI don't get a 40% drop in range even when it's -20 out. I lose about 25 miles range off the top iff the car was cold soaked before I leave, and then I lose about 20% range steady state.
- SilverElfin 8mo agoPretty normal for most EVs to vastly overstate range. Rivian is the exception in my experience. But yes they’re very sensitive to terrain and temperature even if they aren’t exaggerating range.
- John23832 8mo agoWhy do apologists always resort to “are you holding it wrong”? This person is using their ev as a car, the same way they would use any other car in their possention. Evs are presented as ice car replacements but when their lack of ability as ice car replacements is pointed out the response is “well maybe you shouldn’t do that. WELL MAYBE THEYRE NOT ICE REPLACEMENTS /rant