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there is a great clickhole headline that your comment reminds me of "Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made a Great Point" 4chan has produced some
by john_strinlai 8mo ago
there is a great clickhole headline that your comment reminds me of
"Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made a Great Point"
4chan has produced some hilarious/interesting stuff, and they have also driven people to suicide. i suppose it is up to everyone individually to make the value judgement there.
- nvme0n1p1 8mo agoReplace "4chan" with "humanity in general" and your statement still holds true.
- john_strinlai 8mo agosure, yeah, the original quote was about a person instead of a website, so that makes sense.
- BobaFloutist 8mo agoI mean that's pretty vacuously true, since (the community of) "4chan" is a subset of (the total population of) "humanity in general," but it's a stronger and more interesting claim to make about the subculture in question. If anything, the person you were replying to was intentionally describing how 4chan is less dissimilar to humanity in general than its typical portrayal, so responding with a dismissal that that makes them just the same as everyone else is really just affirming their point.
- philipallstar 8mo ago"4chan has done these" and "humanity has done these" are equally vacuous.
- SkyeCA 8mo ago> and they have also driven people to suicide As has Reddit, Facebook, etc. Bad things occasionally happening on a platform doesn't make the platform/site inherently bad.
- john_strinlai 8mo agoweird combination of "what about" and misinterpreting my comment.
- whywhywhywhy 8mo agoNot really when you were holding up causing suicide as why it's bad when every high traffic social network has done that.
- john_strinlai 8mo agoyes, you are repeating the "what about" part. my comment has literally nothing to do with other social networks. if it helps, feel free to apply the original quote to facebook or whatever when they do something good. but this article and comment chain is about 4chan. so i am talking about 4chan.
- SkyeCA 8mo ago"Whataboutism" is just the cry of people upset others disagreed with their stance in a way they disliked.
- john_strinlai 8mo agolol, what are you talking about? i said i was reminded of a quote, that is it. no one disagreed, they just said “other people do it too” and put words in my mouth so they could argue about something. like, what “stance” do you think i am even trying to take?
- simianparrot 8mo agoSocieties drive people to suicide in general. Families also do. I don't think the solution is to make the world a padded room.
- john_strinlai 8mo ago>I don't think the solution is to make the world a padded room. ..neither do i?
- pc86 8mo agoWell, much like HN, 4chan is a couple dozen boards of different topics frequented by something like 22 million unique users every month. So of course there's going to be good things there. And of course there's going to be bad things there. You don't get to pick and choose. Trying to make a "value judgment" and boil the whole thing down to "4chan good" or "4chan bad," seems with even the most generous interpretation... incredibly reductive and foolhardy.
- john_strinlai 8mo agoi wasnt trying to make any sort of profound point. i was reminded of an applicable quote i like, so i posted it. and of course my comment is reductive, it is a total of 3 sentences. i dont really know what nuance you were expecting to get out a 3 sentence comment. everything is gray, with both good and bad. 4chan included. there we go -- more true, less interesting.