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If you're still looking for a name let me suggest "hyper text". It embodies the whole idea of having data, code and presentation at the same place. If you're

by zeroq 7mo ago

If you're still looking for a name let me suggest "hyper text". It embodies the whole idea of having data, code and presentation at the same place. If you're open for contributions I already have an idea for cascading styles system in mind.

altruios 7mo ago
Every turn of the wheel someone wants to make a new one. Maybe one day someone will invent a rounder wheel.
- doublerabbit 7mo ago
  Personally I think we should move to heptagons, they're round enough. The wheel is what I would call, passé.
  - altruios 7mo ago
    Every day the wheel of society turns a little further off course. Soon we'll be optimizing for minimizing the sides of a wheel (triangles are not the final form here...) /s
  - keeganpoppen 7mo ago
    nah heptagons are passé; nowadays it’s all about nonagons. xD
  - smnrchrds 7mo ago
    I disagree. Hexagons are the bestagons.
    - Akronymus 7mo ago
      What is a hexagon if not 4 triangles in a trenchcoat?
    - lioeters 7mo ago
      Some triangles are so acute though.
FabianCarbonara 7mo ago
Ha, history does rhyme ;) Happy if you reach out via mail!
- heckintime 7mo ago
  I think he's talking about CSS
noman-land 7mo ago
If HTML happened again except this time it was markdown, maybe more non-nerds would be able to use it? XML just looks gnarly.
- NL807 7mo ago
  Problem with the markdown approach the text will become rapidly ugly with hacks, non-standard annotations to enable same features as HTML.
  - fyredge 7mo ago
    I'm very curious. I hated how html requires angled brackets for everything and love markdown for its neatness. What are some of the ugly hacks you've seen that were applied?
    - cicko 7mo ago
      Image width.
0ing0b0ing0 7mo ago
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inopinatus 7mo ago
In this timeline I suggest favouring a style semantics and specification language. [given what CSS has incrementally and inevitably become, it's my ever-firmer belief that DSSSL would've been the right choice in the first place]
mncharity 7mo ago
> If you're still looking for a name let me suggest "hyper text". Perhaps "WWW SPA document"? Using markdown with highly-progressive fenced blocks? Hypertext (one word, coined 1960s) is quite a broad category. Subcategory "WWW" could fit, as TFA seems WWW-ish. A markdown document format, and progressive rendering of tags and code, seems HTML-like. Though with greater progressiveness - code blocks with streamed execution rather than merely compilation. The progressive JSON callbacks, React, integrated client and server code execution, and server-side rendering, seem closer to WWW SPA than to HTML. Though SPA files often seem more "source" than "document". And the multiple-page "App"-ness of SPA doesn't fit well. SPA seems a better fit than "full-stack". Perhaps some name analogous to "isomorphic javascript"...?
gwern 7mo ago
Or more precisely, isn't this reinventing notebooks (not the first JS-centric notebook either)?

by zeroq 7mo ago

altruios 7mo ago

Every turn of the wheel someone wants to make a new one. Maybe one day someone will invent a rounder wheel.

doublerabbit 7mo ago
Personally I think we should move to heptagons, they're round enough. The wheel is what I would call, passé.
- altruios 7mo ago
  Every day the wheel of society turns a little further off course. Soon we'll be optimizing for minimizing the sides of a wheel (triangles are not the final form here...) /s
- keeganpoppen 7mo ago
  nah heptagons are passé; nowadays it’s all about nonagons. xD
- smnrchrds 7mo ago
  I disagree. Hexagons are the bestagons.
  - Akronymus 7mo ago
    What is a hexagon if not 4 triangles in a trenchcoat?
  - lioeters 7mo ago
    Some triangles are so acute though.

FabianCarbonara 7mo ago

Ha, history does rhyme ;) Happy if you reach out via mail!

heckintime 7mo ago
I think he's talking about CSS

noman-land 7mo ago

If HTML happened again except this time it was markdown, maybe more non-nerds would be able to use it? XML just looks gnarly.

NL807 7mo ago
Problem with the markdown approach the text will become rapidly ugly with hacks, non-standard annotations to enable same features as HTML.
- fyredge 7mo ago
  I'm very curious. I hated how html requires angled brackets for everything and love markdown for its neatness. What are some of the ugly hacks you've seen that were applied?
  - cicko 7mo ago
    Image width.

0ing0b0ing0 7mo ago

[dead]

inopinatus 7mo ago

In this timeline I suggest favouring a style semantics and specification language. [given what CSS has incrementally and inevitably become, it's my ever-firmer belief that DSSSL would've been the right choice in the first place]

mncharity 7mo ago

> If you're still looking for a name let me suggest "hyper text". Perhaps "WWW SPA document"? Using markdown with highly-progressive fenced blocks? Hypertext (one word, coined 1960s) is quite a broad category. Subcategory "WWW" could fit, as TFA seems WWW-ish. A markdown document format, and progressive rendering of tags and code, seems HTML-like. Though with greater progressiveness - code blocks with streamed execution rather than merely compilation. The progressive JSON callbacks, React, integrated client and server code execution, and server-side rendering, seem closer to WWW SPA than to HTML. Though SPA files often seem more "source" than "document". And the multiple-page "App"-ness of SPA doesn't fit well. SPA seems a better fit than "full-stack". Perhaps some name analogous to "isomorphic javascript"...?

gwern 7mo ago

Or more precisely, isn't this reinventing notebooks (not the first JS-centric notebook either)?