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> "Companies – wherever they're based – are not allowed to sell unsafe toys to children in the UK. And society has long protected youngsters from things like al
by rconti 7mo ago
> "Companies – wherever they're based – are not allowed to sell unsafe toys to children in the UK. And society has long protected youngsters from things like alcohol, smoking and gambling. The digital world should be no different," she said.
So the UK plans to fine Parisian bars that serve alcohol to British under-18s in France on holiday?
- ceejayoz 7mo agoThis is more like the UK fining Parisian bars that courier alcohol to under-18s in the UK.
- shaky-carrousel 7mo agoWhich is equally absurd.
- OJFord 7mo agoNo it isn't? Real example is Amazon, a US company that sells alcohol in the UK, and is required to check age on order & delivery.
- qup 7mo agoAmazon is an international corporation with UK-incorporated entities.
- OJFord 7mo agoThat's true but not relevant to the spirit of the point.
- ronsor 7mo agoIt is relevant. There's a material difference between shipping material overseas and shipping it (and handling it) within the destination country. If someone mails $ProhibitedItem at a USPS to the UK, then it's the job of local UK police and/or customs to reject the parcel if it is prohibited. It's the UK's problem, de facto if not de jure, because the sender is out of reach. If someone with a UK subsidiary and local processing center mails $ProhibitedItem to their center and delivers it to someone in the UK, then that's more than the UK's problem.
- jimnotgym 7mo agoAnd on an electronic delivery, is a great firewall the equivalent of customs? And therfore the only way to enforce sovereignty?
- echoangle 7mo agoPractically, yes.
- erentz 7mo agoIf that were true why is everyone so irritated by this? Just ignore it in that case. But for those people that may want to become subject to British jurisdiction in future or do other business there in future, they will take requests from Ofcom seriously.
- testing22321 7mo agoAbsolutely yes. If a government thinks there is stuff for sale its citizens should not be allowed to buy, they don’t stop county x making it or selling it. They block the thing from entering their country. If the government thinks there are ones and zeros on the internet it’s citizens should not be allowed to see, they should block them from entering the country.
- shaky-carrousel 7mo agoNo, real example is a British citizen picking up an American AM radio station that happens to broadcast things forbidden by the UK law, and the UK fining such radio station.
- shrubble 7mo agoIt’s a lot more like banning the importation of books and newspapers that the government doesn’t agree with…
- tsukikage 7mo agoMore like the UK fining US porn publishers for not stopping British kids searching through the hedges in their street
- jjgreen 7mo agoHedge-porn, I remember hedge-porn ...
- strideashort 7mo agoNot exactly. It’s like fining Parisian bars to hand over alcohol to couriers without checking to whom couriers will deliver it. Couriers = all involved network providers.
- erentz 7mo agoThe Parisian bars are the ones writing the address on the package not the courier.
- strideashort 7mo agoWhen DoorDash or whatever courier comes to a restaurant, they pick up “order number”. That order number is in essence just private IP. Courier translates it to address=public ip. It follows that the restaurant writes the address on every delivery. Do they ID each recipient?
- erentz 7mo agoIn the original example the Parisian bars sells and sends the alcohol. You’ve modified that to introduce a proxy, DoorDash, that now sells and sends the alcohol. If DoorDash sells it they’re the ones in trouble in your example.
- OJFord 7mo agoIn theory the children are committing a crime yes, but obviously enforcement is extremely low; left mainly to their teachers. I don't think UK law governs foreign companies' overseas operations based on the nationality of the customer though, no.
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- dijit 7mo agoThey’re not breaking any law. Laws apply to actions in the country, they’re not based on citizenship. If you go to Amsterdam and sleep with a hooker, you didn’t break a law by doing that: despite prostitution (specifically purchasing sex) being illegal in many western countries.
- pearlsontheroad 7mo agoafaik, prostitution is either legal or partially legal on the majority of Western countries. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-where-prostitution-is-legal https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries...
- dijit 7mo agoNormally its considered legal to sell but not legal to buy. Prostitution is primarily conducted by women, and this is a way for them to still seek protection and healthcare while still technically criminalising the practice.
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- throw74947399 7mo agoIn most European countries it is legal to both sell and to buy. What is illegal almost everywhere is being a pimp.
- rjsw 7mo agoFrance can fine Parisian bars that serve alcohol to under-18s itself.
- Aloisius 7mo agoI'm not sure one needs to stretch the analogy this far. If someone from the UK calls me on the phone and I start reading them posts on 4chan, is the UK going to fine me too?
- pwillia7 7mo agoyou got yer loiscence?
- themafia 7mo agoThey should arrange a book burning too. Since they seem to believe that foreign words are inherently dangerous.