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What was the outcome of the lawsuits against the agencies? You don't have to win a suit against an individual. Most of the big payouts have to come from the cit

by giantg2 7mo ago

What was the outcome of the lawsuits against the agencies? You don't have to win a suit against an individual. Most of the big payouts have to come from the cities. Here are a bunch going the other way. https://policefundingdatabase.org/explore-the-database/settlements/?settlements=&settlement-location=&settlement-comp=true#settlements-table https://policefundingdatabase.org/explore-the-database/settl... I never said that qualified immunity wasn't an issue, just that there tends to be more protections when use of force is involved than with property.

ceejayoz 7mo ago
> Most of the big payouts have to come from the cities. In other words, from the victimized populace. I think a cop who steals seized evidence should be personally liable to the person they stole from. (…and I'd note "v. City of Wichita" is clearly responsive to your question.)
- saynay 7mo ago
  I would probably say that both the city and the cop should, independently, be liable. Given the position of authority the city provides, it is ultimately responsible to hire and properly train people who will use that authority well, while the individual is also responsible for their own actions.
  - ceejayoz 7mo ago
    Both is good with me, yes.
  - giantg2 7mo ago
    If the cop is following procedure, the city and others who set the procedure should be liable. If the cop is breaking procedure, then they should be liable. If there is no clear procedure, then they should both be liable.
- giantg2 7mo ago
  "In other words, from the victimized populace." Sadly, yes. They're also the populace that voted for that leadership. There are many leaders of major cities that continually push policies that are highly probably to result in legal action due to their conflict with existing law and case law. I don't like it, but its true.

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What was the outcome of the lawsuits against the agencies? You don't have to win a suit against an individual. Most of the big payouts have to come from the cit

by giantg2 7mo ago

ceejayoz 7mo ago
> Most of the big payouts have to come from the cities. In other words, from the victimized populace. I think a cop who steals seized evidence should be personally liable to the person they stole from. (…and I'd note "v. City of Wichita" is clearly responsive to your question.)
- saynay 7mo ago
  I would probably say that both the city and the cop should, independently, be liable. Given the position of authority the city provides, it is ultimately responsible to hire and properly train people who will use that authority well, while the individual is also responsible for their own actions.
  - ceejayoz 7mo ago
    Both is good with me, yes.
  - giantg2 7mo ago
    If the cop is following procedure, the city and others who set the procedure should be liable. If the cop is breaking procedure, then they should be liable. If there is no clear procedure, then they should both be liable.
- giantg2 7mo ago
  "In other words, from the victimized populace." Sadly, yes. They're also the populace that voted for that leadership. There are many leaders of major cities that continually push policies that are highly probably to result in legal action due to their conflict with existing law and case law. I don't like it, but its true.