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I thought it wasn't a war until congress approves it?

by basisword 7mo ago

Havoc 7mo ago
Special military operation
- red-iron-pine 7mo ago
  putin is laughing
whatever1 7mo ago
Do we now call it a war? I thought it was an excursion?
- unsnap_biceps 7mo ago
  Legally the administration claims it's not a war. Publicly they all call it a way. "They have no shame, do they? They don't even bother to lie badly anymore. I suppose that's the final humiliation" - Senator Mon Mothma, Andor
alex_suzuki 7mo ago
At least it’s “ahead of schedule”!
- dessimus 7mo ago
  Is it? Haven't seen POTUS on a carrier flight deck with a "Mission Accomplished" banner yet, so we got at least 15 years of war ahead.
  - alex_suzuki 7mo ago
    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c24d410m3g4t?post=asset%3A057504ce-1b95-4328-85fd-20689b21f9c8#post https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c24d410m3g4t?post=asset%3A0575...
    - dessimus 7mo ago
      I don't know that I'd trust the words of a President that "starts a war with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate." https://youtu.be/5KV_nIgg008 https://youtu.be/5KV_nIgg008
toast0 7mo ago
I think the country isn't officially at war without an act of congress, but whether a conflict is a war is probably a property of the conflict and not government declarations of the beligerants or the legallity of their participation. Anyway, the Department of Whatever its name is needs money.
mey 7mo ago
Unless laws are enforced, the laws don't matter.
cosmicgadget 7mo ago
"Bombing campaign" is kinda clumsy. Can we just have a colloquial use of the term that differs from the legal one?
jfengel 7mo ago
It's not a war even if Congress approves it. It's still just "an exercise of the War Powers Act", which is not technically the same thing. To actually be a war Congress has to declare war. But they passed the War Powers Act so that they wouldn't have to do that. In theory, the War Powers Act is limited to 60-90 days unless Congress approves funding. Which they may -- a bill to refuse funding failed. Which isn't the same thing, but even if they can't pass the authorization, it's not clear if that actually matters to anybody.
- goatlover 7mo ago
  A rose by any other name applies here. It is a war regardless of how the US government wants to legally dance around the term.

I thought it wasn't a war until congress approves it?

Havoc 7mo ago

Special military operation

red-iron-pine 7mo ago
putin is laughing

whatever1 7mo ago

Do we now call it a war? I thought it was an excursion?

unsnap_biceps 7mo ago
Legally the administration claims it's not a war. Publicly they all call it a way. "They have no shame, do they? They don't even bother to lie badly anymore. I suppose that's the final humiliation" - Senator Mon Mothma, Andor

alex_suzuki 7mo ago

At least it’s “ahead of schedule”!

dessimus 7mo ago
Is it? Haven't seen POTUS on a carrier flight deck with a "Mission Accomplished" banner yet, so we got at least 15 years of war ahead.
- alex_suzuki 7mo ago
  https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c24d410m3g4t?post=asset%3A057504ce-1b95-4328-85fd-20689b21f9c8#post https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c24d410m3g4t?post=asset%3A0575...
  - dessimus 7mo ago
    I don't know that I'd trust the words of a President that "starts a war with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate." https://youtu.be/5KV_nIgg008 https://youtu.be/5KV_nIgg008

toast0 7mo ago

I think the country isn't officially at war without an act of congress, but whether a conflict is a war is probably a property of the conflict and not government declarations of the beligerants or the legallity of their participation. Anyway, the Department of Whatever its name is needs money.

mey 7mo ago

Unless laws are enforced, the laws don't matter.

cosmicgadget 7mo ago

"Bombing campaign" is kinda clumsy. Can we just have a colloquial use of the term that differs from the legal one?

jfengel 7mo ago

It's not a war even if Congress approves it. It's still just "an exercise of the War Powers Act", which is not technically the same thing. To actually be a war Congress has to declare war. But they passed the War Powers Act so that they wouldn't have to do that. In theory, the War Powers Act is limited to 60-90 days unless Congress approves funding. Which they may -- a bill to refuse funding failed. Which isn't the same thing, but even if they can't pass the authorization, it's not clear if that actually matters to anybody.

goatlover 7mo ago
A rose by any other name applies here. It is a war regardless of how the US government wants to legally dance around the term.