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(arguably terrible) operating system macOS has made some arguably poor design choices, but it makes it hard to take someone seriously when they state the whole

(arguably terrible) operating system macOS has made some arguably poor design choices, but it makes it hard to take someone seriously when they state the whole OS is terrible.

seemaze 7mo ago
It's the worst OS we have.. except for all the others.
himata4113 7mo ago
It could be just me, but every time I tried to do something I sat thinking that I am not the target audience for this thing. I don't like the UI, I hate not being able to talk to the hardware the way I can on linux (uart took me way too long to get working), I am angry that I am not able to run kvm, I hate not being able to replace the desktop and fix bugs myself. That's what makes it terrible for me.
- TheSkyHasEyes 7mo ago
  MacOS IMHO is no longer a viable OS for people like us(who know what this website even is). MacOS26 along with Windows11 are enshittifying and in some ways it's glorious to see. I do feel bad for non-IT people though, Linux is daunting to them...I get it.
  - marcyb5st 7mo ago
    With my setup (GhosTTY, tmux, nvim) I don't have any problems honestly. When working with UI stuff I use rectangle to get a bit of the tiling behavior I was used to on i3, but nowadays I need that less and les because of browsers adding split view within themselves. Battery is great and everything feels snappy even after the PC being powered on for weeks.
- mikestew 7mo ago
  Fair enough, thanks for clarifying your distaste for macOS. Sounds like any closed source OS just isn’t for you. :-)
- commandersaki 7mo ago
  So you're upset an operating system that is called macOS is not in fact Linux. Gotcha.
  - himata4113 7mo ago
    pretty much, it's unix and I want it to be unix, but I get the worst parts of linux and windows combined.
    - sonofhans 7mo ago
      I see you. These folks trying to talk you into liking MacOS are missing the point. You’re being perfectly clear about not liking it, and why — it’s not built for you. And that sucks, ‘cause their hardware is top-notch. It’s true pain. Apple really is leaving everyone else years behind in making hardware. Yet they’ve never done what I would consider obvious geek-friendly things to MacOS. I’m sad about it too, and I wish the OS were better.
  - arcfour 7mo ago
    Yeah, if it was Linux it might actually be usable! I'm not sure how Apple acolytes can say this stuff seriously what with the deluge of complaints and completely broken features and terrible UI their own kind have been posting about it recently. You can't accept that Apple could possibly do wrong?
    - mikestew 7mo ago
      what with the deluge of complaints and completely broken features and terrible UI their own kind have been posting about… Remind me which OS we were talking about again? Because it sounds like all of them. OS usage as a team sport is just dumb.
      - himata4113 7mo ago
        I agree linux is just as bad, but at least I can fix it! Especially now in the age of AI I have fixed 30-40 issues with KDE that were bothering me and now they're gone. The reason why I don't upstream is because.. it's AI and half the changes are very opinionated. However, my enjoyment and productivity went up a lot. My KDE is closer to hyprland than anything and I love it.
bigyabai 7mo ago
There's a reason macOS is the least-used OS behind Linux and Windows. If it was any less terrible, we would know.
- x3ro 7mo ago
  Source? [1] states 12% for macOS and 3% for Linux. [1]: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwidehttps://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide...
  - hedora 7mo ago
    Steam reports 3.4% for linux and 2% for macos (last montg. This month numbers are probably hit by systematic measurement errors). https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ Also, the 16% “unknown” in the graph you linked to implies huge error bars on macos vs linux!
    - bakugo 7mo ago
      Steam stats aren't particularly meaningful in this context, because MacOS is largely unusable for gaming due to not being able to run most games. Valve themselves have given up on supporting their games on Mac, likely due to the total lack of backwards compatibility.
  - seabrookmx 7mo ago
    That's desktop market share. I'm sure the comment you're replying to means overall usage including mobile and server, where Linux is far and away the leader.
    - commandersaki 7mo ago
      Why would anyone compare market share of a desktop OS and include server / mobile / embedded?

(arguably terrible) operating system macOS has made some arguably poor design choices, but it makes it hard to take someone seriously when they state the whole OS is terrible.

seemaze 7mo ago

It's the worst OS we have.. except for all the others.

himata4113 7mo ago

It could be just me, but every time I tried to do something I sat thinking that I am not the target audience for this thing. I don't like the UI, I hate not being able to talk to the hardware the way I can on linux (uart took me way too long to get working), I am angry that I am not able to run kvm, I hate not being able to replace the desktop and fix bugs myself. That's what makes it terrible for me.

TheSkyHasEyes 7mo ago
MacOS IMHO is no longer a viable OS for people like us(who know what this website even is). MacOS26 along with Windows11 are enshittifying and in some ways it's glorious to see. I do feel bad for non-IT people though, Linux is daunting to them...I get it.
- marcyb5st 7mo ago
  With my setup (GhosTTY, tmux, nvim) I don't have any problems honestly. When working with UI stuff I use rectangle to get a bit of the tiling behavior I was used to on i3, but nowadays I need that less and les because of browsers adding split view within themselves. Battery is great and everything feels snappy even after the PC being powered on for weeks.
mikestew 7mo ago
Fair enough, thanks for clarifying your distaste for macOS. Sounds like any closed source OS just isn’t for you. :-)
commandersaki 7mo ago
So you're upset an operating system that is called macOS is not in fact Linux. Gotcha.
- himata4113 7mo ago
  pretty much, it's unix and I want it to be unix, but I get the worst parts of linux and windows combined.
  - sonofhans 7mo ago
    I see you. These folks trying to talk you into liking MacOS are missing the point. You’re being perfectly clear about not liking it, and why — it’s not built for you. And that sucks, ‘cause their hardware is top-notch. It’s true pain. Apple really is leaving everyone else years behind in making hardware. Yet they’ve never done what I would consider obvious geek-friendly things to MacOS. I’m sad about it too, and I wish the OS were better.
- arcfour 7mo ago
  Yeah, if it was Linux it might actually be usable! I'm not sure how Apple acolytes can say this stuff seriously what with the deluge of complaints and completely broken features and terrible UI their own kind have been posting about it recently. You can't accept that Apple could possibly do wrong?
  - mikestew 7mo ago
    what with the deluge of complaints and completely broken features and terrible UI their own kind have been posting about… Remind me which OS we were talking about again? Because it sounds like all of them. OS usage as a team sport is just dumb.
    - himata4113 7mo ago
      I agree linux is just as bad, but at least I can fix it! Especially now in the age of AI I have fixed 30-40 issues with KDE that were bothering me and now they're gone. The reason why I don't upstream is because.. it's AI and half the changes are very opinionated. However, my enjoyment and productivity went up a lot. My KDE is closer to hyprland than anything and I love it.

bigyabai 7mo ago

There's a reason macOS is the least-used OS behind Linux and Windows. If it was any less terrible, we would know.

x3ro 7mo ago
Source? [1] states 12% for macOS and 3% for Linux. [1]: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwidehttps://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide...
- hedora 7mo ago
  Steam reports 3.4% for linux and 2% for macos (last montg. This month numbers are probably hit by systematic measurement errors). https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ Also, the 16% “unknown” in the graph you linked to implies huge error bars on macos vs linux!
  - bakugo 7mo ago
    Steam stats aren't particularly meaningful in this context, because MacOS is largely unusable for gaming due to not being able to run most games. Valve themselves have given up on supporting their games on Mac, likely due to the total lack of backwards compatibility.
- seabrookmx 7mo ago
  That's desktop market share. I'm sure the comment you're replying to means overall usage including mobile and server, where Linux is far and away the leader.
  - commandersaki 7mo ago
    Why would anyone compare market share of a desktop OS and include server / mobile / embedded?