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> after Iran and Israel attack gasfields After Israel attacked gasfields and Iran retaliated. Iran didn't start any of this.

by bambax 7mo ago

srean 7mo ago
Wish this comment could be pinned.
- throwaway2109 7mo ago
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  - srean 7mo ago
    Counterfactuals are hard to estimate but had the US and Britain not engineered a coup in 1953 to grab their oil they might have had friendly relations with US and its allies today. Don't discount that the US foisted Saddam Hussein and his chemical weapons on Iran's population. They lost some 20 to 30 thousand civilians to chemical weapons attacks. Yet never once counterattacked with chemical weapons. The assassinated Khamenei even had a fatwa declaring weapons of mass destruction to be un-Islamic. No one is innocent in this world, but I can certainly understand why Iran feels the way it does and I find it justified, in the sense had I been born there I probably would feel the same way. Recall Iran was the only middle-eastern country that supported the UN resolution forming the state of Israel. US interference left them with a bad taste in their mouth. No wonder they do not like the US and their partners in geopolitical resource grabs.
  - mdni007 7mo ago
    What is your source for saying they are funding attacks? I know people on HN aren't stupid enough to fully believe everything Isreali and American media tells them so what's your source?
    - srean 7mo ago
      If he was serious about tracing the roots of terrorism he would have landed up with Saudi money and Pakistani training. Those two are the major powerhouses of terrorism. Citizens of the US and its vassal states are quick to ignore that. Most are too lazy to exercise critical thinking.
1234letshaveatw 7mo ago
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- srean 7mo ago
  They were attacked because they did not yet have a nuke. Countries with nukes are usually not pushed around much. From what I see, Iran absolutely needs one to be left alone. As for terrorism you should be looking at Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
  - ivell 7mo ago
    India attacked Pakistan regardless of nuke. It is not a given that nuke brings security.
    - srean 7mo ago
      It doesn't guarantee of course, but one does not face external existential threats. India will not dare to overrun Pakistan nor does it want to. (Few crackpots from both those countries aside)
    - roncesvalles 7mo ago
      Pakistan effectively doesn't have nukes. Pakistan's nukes are kept in a de-mated state and it takes hours if not days to get them ready for launch. They're too close to terrorist groups in the Middle East (geographically and otherwise) to have nukes that are a button-press away. This gives them enough deterrence against a total invasion (because of the "what if" factor) but not against random airstrikes.
- pasquinelli 7mo ago
  i think everyone understands what the word "terrorist" means now.
  - 1234letshaveatw 7mo ago
    They do now, but they used to too
bethekidyouwant 7mo ago
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- yolo3000 7mo ago
  Didn't we see threats from other countries with nukes, like US, Russia, Israel
  - bethekidyouwant 7mo ago
    What do you mean? be specific
    - donkeybeer 7mo ago
      Thats nothing, try nearly 400 nukes that "don't exist" and the man who exposed them was jailed and tortured for 18 years. Its not imaginary "in future" nukes, but nukes that exist and work right now. I am far more worried about that country. We must urgently force an audit and transfer or decommissioning of all these illegal nukes.
- pasquinelli 7mo ago
  no, that isn't starting something.
- mdni007 7mo ago
  Who's the source for this? Isreal or the Epstien government?
  - GolfPopper 7mo ago
    Netahyau has been claiming Iran will have a nuclear weapon "real soon" for thirty years. https://www.news18.com/world/weeks-away-by-next-spring-video-shows-netanyahu-warning-of-irans-nuclear-threat-for-almost-30-years-ws-l-9392520.html https://www.news18.com/world/weeks-away-by-next-spring-video...
  - bethekidyouwant 7mo ago
yonixw 7mo ago
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- 10xDev 7mo ago
  It is pretty clear Iran is only going up the escalation ladder when Israel does. Even Trump blamed Israel for the escalation: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8x7leknlywo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8x7leknlywo
  - yonixw 7mo ago
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    - srean 7mo ago
      The justification I have heard is that crown prince okayed and assisted with the intelligence that helped with the assassination of Khamenei. I have no way to know how far that is true, but I won't put that beyond crown prince.
    - 10xDev 7mo ago
      >Israel hit Iran's South Pars - part of the world's largest natural gas field – and Tehran retaliated by striking an energy complex in Qatar. I believe when lying doesn't help him. It doesn't matter if it is Qatar / Saudi if it still affects the US / Israel.
- alephnerd 7mo ago
  There is no point talking with these people. It's hard to explain how much the overton window shifted for Israeli-Khaleeji cooperation after the past few weeks, and after the strikes that have been hitting the Gulf. The tone has shifted significantly that even KSA is now saturating WhatsApp, Snap, and other Gulf heavy media with anti-Iran and pro-Military Intervention ad campaigns [0][1][2], with a tone I've been noticing is similar what I saw in Israel right before 2014. Anti-Iran sentiment was already prominent after the Houthis and the insurgency in the Eastern Province a decade ago, but the sentiment has now become extremely hardened. The tone shift is similar to what happened to Saddam way back in the 90s and 2000s. MbS is trying to position himself the same way King Abdullah did during the Gulf War and Iraq War. [0] - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-u2DYl0FQ-M&pp=0gcJCcUKAYcqIYzv https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-u2DYl0FQ-M&pp=0gcJCcUKAYcqIYz... [1] - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fujoYIjeS-I https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fujoYIjeS-I [2] - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LhdqEB4dKgc https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LhdqEB4dKgc
rasz 7mo ago
Ras Laffan LNG complex in Qatar Ras Tanura oil refinery in Saudi drone attacks on Saudi oil fields Ruwais refinery in Abu Dhabi Shah gas field in Abu Dhabi port of Fujairah Bapco oil refinery in Bahrain

> after Iran and Israel attack gasfields After Israel attacked gasfields and Iran retaliated. Iran didn't start any of this.

by bambax 7mo ago

> after Iran and Israel attack gasfields After Israel attacked gasfields and Iran retaliated. Iran didn't start any of this.

srean 7mo ago

Wish this comment could be pinned.

throwaway2109 7mo ago
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- srean 7mo ago
  Counterfactuals are hard to estimate but had the US and Britain not engineered a coup in 1953 to grab their oil they might have had friendly relations with US and its allies today. Don't discount that the US foisted Saddam Hussein and his chemical weapons on Iran's population. They lost some 20 to 30 thousand civilians to chemical weapons attacks. Yet never once counterattacked with chemical weapons. The assassinated Khamenei even had a fatwa declaring weapons of mass destruction to be un-Islamic. No one is innocent in this world, but I can certainly understand why Iran feels the way it does and I find it justified, in the sense had I been born there I probably would feel the same way. Recall Iran was the only middle-eastern country that supported the UN resolution forming the state of Israel. US interference left them with a bad taste in their mouth. No wonder they do not like the US and their partners in geopolitical resource grabs.
- mdni007 7mo ago
  What is your source for saying they are funding attacks? I know people on HN aren't stupid enough to fully believe everything Isreali and American media tells them so what's your source?
  - srean 7mo ago
    If he was serious about tracing the roots of terrorism he would have landed up with Saudi money and Pakistani training. Those two are the major powerhouses of terrorism. Citizens of the US and its vassal states are quick to ignore that. Most are too lazy to exercise critical thinking.

1234letshaveatw 7mo ago

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srean 7mo ago
They were attacked because they did not yet have a nuke. Countries with nukes are usually not pushed around much. From what I see, Iran absolutely needs one to be left alone. As for terrorism you should be looking at Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
- ivell 7mo ago
  India attacked Pakistan regardless of nuke. It is not a given that nuke brings security.
  - srean 7mo ago
    It doesn't guarantee of course, but one does not face external existential threats. India will not dare to overrun Pakistan nor does it want to. (Few crackpots from both those countries aside)
  - roncesvalles 7mo ago
    Pakistan effectively doesn't have nukes. Pakistan's nukes are kept in a de-mated state and it takes hours if not days to get them ready for launch. They're too close to terrorist groups in the Middle East (geographically and otherwise) to have nukes that are a button-press away. This gives them enough deterrence against a total invasion (because of the "what if" factor) but not against random airstrikes.
pasquinelli 7mo ago
i think everyone understands what the word "terrorist" means now.
- 1234letshaveatw 7mo ago
  They do now, but they used to too

bethekidyouwant 7mo ago

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yolo3000 7mo ago
Didn't we see threats from other countries with nukes, like US, Russia, Israel
- bethekidyouwant 7mo ago
  What do you mean? be specific
  - donkeybeer 7mo ago
    Thats nothing, try nearly 400 nukes that "don't exist" and the man who exposed them was jailed and tortured for 18 years. Its not imaginary "in future" nukes, but nukes that exist and work right now. I am far more worried about that country. We must urgently force an audit and transfer or decommissioning of all these illegal nukes.
pasquinelli 7mo ago
no, that isn't starting something.
mdni007 7mo ago
Who's the source for this? Isreal or the Epstien government?
- GolfPopper 7mo ago
  Netahyau has been claiming Iran will have a nuclear weapon "real soon" for thirty years. https://www.news18.com/world/weeks-away-by-next-spring-video-shows-netanyahu-warning-of-irans-nuclear-threat-for-almost-30-years-ws-l-9392520.html https://www.news18.com/world/weeks-away-by-next-spring-video...
- bethekidyouwant 7mo ago

yonixw 7mo ago

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10xDev 7mo ago
It is pretty clear Iran is only going up the escalation ladder when Israel does. Even Trump blamed Israel for the escalation: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8x7leknlywo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8x7leknlywo
- yonixw 7mo ago
  [flagged]
  - srean 7mo ago
    The justification I have heard is that crown prince okayed and assisted with the intelligence that helped with the assassination of Khamenei. I have no way to know how far that is true, but I won't put that beyond crown prince.
  - 10xDev 7mo ago
    >Israel hit Iran's South Pars - part of the world's largest natural gas field – and Tehran retaliated by striking an energy complex in Qatar. I believe when lying doesn't help him. It doesn't matter if it is Qatar / Saudi if it still affects the US / Israel.
alephnerd 7mo ago
There is no point talking with these people. It's hard to explain how much the overton window shifted for Israeli-Khaleeji cooperation after the past few weeks, and after the strikes that have been hitting the Gulf. The tone has shifted significantly that even KSA is now saturating WhatsApp, Snap, and other Gulf heavy media with anti-Iran and pro-Military Intervention ad campaigns [0][1][2], with a tone I've been noticing is similar what I saw in Israel right before 2014. Anti-Iran sentiment was already prominent after the Houthis and the insurgency in the Eastern Province a decade ago, but the sentiment has now become extremely hardened. The tone shift is similar to what happened to Saddam way back in the 90s and 2000s. MbS is trying to position himself the same way King Abdullah did during the Gulf War and Iraq War. [0] - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-u2DYl0FQ-M&pp=0gcJCcUKAYcqIYzv https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-u2DYl0FQ-M&pp=0gcJCcUKAYcqIYz... [1] - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fujoYIjeS-I https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fujoYIjeS-I [2] - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LhdqEB4dKgc https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LhdqEB4dKgc

rasz 7mo ago

Ras Laffan LNG complex in Qatar Ras Tanura oil refinery in Saudi drone attacks on Saudi oil fields Ruwais refinery in Abu Dhabi Shah gas field in Abu Dhabi port of Fujairah Bapco oil refinery in Bahrain