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Is there anyone who isn't super rich who feels safe in america anymore? Is it the same in other countries, can cops just raid you for no reason, or abduct peop

Is there anyone who isn't super rich who feels safe in america anymore? Is it the same in other countries, can cops just raid you for no reason, or abduct people (ICE) and that's not the biggest story in the country?

qup 7mo ago
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- john_strinlai 7mo ago
  ice has literally abducted citizens with no criminal record. those people are victims.
  - qup 7mo ago
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    - john_strinlai 7mo ago
      abduct: to seize and take away (a person) by force https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abduct https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abduct sounds like what happened to me.
      - qup 7mo ago
        Law enforcement arrests people every day. It's their primary job. You're not confused about the term. We all know the difference.
        john_strinlai 7mo ago
        correct, i am not confused about the term "abducted", and i stand by what i said.
      - lostmsu 7mo ago
        In most cases police or ICE does not take away people by force, but by the threat of legal authority. OK, I am not certain about police and "most", but rather certain about ICE and "most".
    - schwartzworld 7mo ago
      If you don't have probable cause and you don't have a warrant, it's not an arrest and you aren't law enforcement. You're subbing in some words yourself.
    - notepad0x90 7mo ago
      they cannot even so much as touch a person without probable cause. With probable cause they can arrest a person, with a freaking arrest warrant, not arbitrarily on their own. And even with a proper arrest warrant, they have to charge you within 48 hours or release you, even if they think you're a danger to the public!! Even in the worst 3rd world countries such norms exist. Please understand that I'm not just saying this because we're on the internet, I'll say this to your face (as politely as I can): You are a traitor, you have betrayed everything a person could possibly betray about their country by turning your back on not only the most foundational laws (constitution) of your country, but you have also advocated for the arbitrary detention of your people, an act only committed by an enemy after conquest. A spy who betrays his country and sells its secrets to an enemy country has not participated in or advocated for direct-harm against his own people, yet you have. consider where you stand, traitor.
- amanaplanacanal 7mo ago
  If they have a warrant maybe. If they don't, abduction seems right. In addition, you're not a criminal until you are convicted.

qup 7mo ago

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john_strinlai 7mo ago
ice has literally abducted citizens with no criminal record. those people are victims.
- qup 7mo ago
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  - john_strinlai 7mo ago
    abduct: to seize and take away (a person) by force https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abduct https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abduct sounds like what happened to me.
    - qup 7mo ago
      Law enforcement arrests people every day. It's their primary job. You're not confused about the term. We all know the difference.
      - john_strinlai 7mo ago
        correct, i am not confused about the term "abducted", and i stand by what i said.
    - lostmsu 7mo ago
      In most cases police or ICE does not take away people by force, but by the threat of legal authority. OK, I am not certain about police and "most", but rather certain about ICE and "most".
  - schwartzworld 7mo ago
    If you don't have probable cause and you don't have a warrant, it's not an arrest and you aren't law enforcement. You're subbing in some words yourself.
  - notepad0x90 7mo ago
    they cannot even so much as touch a person without probable cause. With probable cause they can arrest a person, with a freaking arrest warrant, not arbitrarily on their own. And even with a proper arrest warrant, they have to charge you within 48 hours or release you, even if they think you're a danger to the public!! Even in the worst 3rd world countries such norms exist. Please understand that I'm not just saying this because we're on the internet, I'll say this to your face (as politely as I can): You are a traitor, you have betrayed everything a person could possibly betray about their country by turning your back on not only the most foundational laws (constitution) of your country, but you have also advocated for the arbitrary detention of your people, an act only committed by an enemy after conquest. A spy who betrays his country and sells its secrets to an enemy country has not participated in or advocated for direct-harm against his own people, yet you have. consider where you stand, traitor.
amanaplanacanal 7mo ago
If they have a warrant maybe. If they don't, abduction seems right. In addition, you're not a criminal until you are convicted.