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Iran attack wipes out 17% of Qatar's LNG capacity for up to five years
- juliusceasar 7mo agoStop spreading nonsense. Israel is behind all this. Only ones to blames. Whatever Iran does is justified.
- watwut 7mo agoUSA and Israel started it. USA does not get to blame the smaller country for a war its leadership wanted. Second, no, "whatever Ira. Does is justified' is too much a blaket allowance. The Iranian regime does not get absolytion for everythijg just because it is in an illegal war USA started. They are plenty awful on their own. But yes, similar Iranian infrastructure is targetted by USA and Israel. Not by Quatar.
- fdghrtbrt 7mo agoUSA leadership is completely compromised, both democrats and republicans. They're all paid by AIPAC.
- Gud 7mo agoAnd who has the videotape recordings taken by Epstein? Seems to me it’s not very far fetched to believe it’s in the hands of the worlds most premiere spy agency, Mossad, who only needs to hint at revealing this compromising information to get what they want from American leadership. Plus of course their advanced offensive cyber attack capabilities. Carrot & Stick.
- andriy_koval 7mo ago> USA and Israel started it. started current operation: yes. But its Iran who denies Israel right for existence, and funds/supports multiple forces with the same views. Such confrontation would happen anyway, the question would it happen now, or in 5 years when Iran potentially obtain nuclear weapons.
- _menelaus 7mo agoThere are two foundational events that set this conflict in motion: 1). The violent establishment of a settler ethnostate in a Muslim region in 1947 2). The deposition of the Shah in 1953 If you're going to talk about causes you might as well start there.
- andriy_koval 7mo agoMuslims grabbed land by force thousand years ago, while killed every one who disagreed. History is full of violence, I am talking about current time. It is current Iran's choice to not accept Israel existence, in contrast to many other Arabic countries who normalized relationships.
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- fdghrtbrt 7mo ago100%. And I say this as a very pro-western person. Countries have the right to retaliate. Iran is using what little leverage they have.
- imdsm 7mo agoOf course they do, which is why Israel's retaliation was their prerogative too. That being said, Hacker News isn't the place for politics so please can everyone go back to reddit if you're feeling emotional. Looking at you, juliusceasar.
- fdghrtbrt 7mo agoJust to be sure we have your position right: Are you characterizing what Israel did as a retaliation? What specifically were they retaliating against?
- imdsm 7mo agoPerhaps you're not aware of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks
- salawat 7mo agoOh, stow it. Claim on you by the body politic doesn't end because you shove your fingers in your ears, or cover your eyes and go "Not listening! I see nothing!" Welcome to the real world, where grocery and fuel prices will be spiking because one particular group of morons decided to indulge in Nintendo warfare today. If you can't grow up enough to realize that your inaction and inattention drives these people's ability to get away with these things, you are part of the problem. Your luxury to abstain from the body politic is founded on the body politic not being suicidally aligned.
- nicbou 7mo agoIs a tech forum the place to talk about it? Is there any point at all to segregate communities by topic if politics end up taking over anyway?
- adrian_b 7mo agoTaking into account that Iran's own oil facilities had been bombed earlier this week and that they had threatened to retaliate if this happens, what Iran does seems indeed fair play.
- i_love_retros 7mo agoAgreed. I don't know whether to call it hypocrisy, delusion, bullshit, etc, but it is reidiculous that when Iran fights back the media and politicians act as if Iran started all this. Example: the UK got a pat on the back for initially saying no to the US using their territory to launch bombing raids, and then later allowed it for "defensive" missions. "Defensive"!?! I'll punch you in the face, you punch me back, then when I punch you again I am only defending myself.
- rasz 7mo agoBefore South Pars Iran bombed: Ras Laffan LNG complex in Qatar Ras Tanura oil refinery in Saudi drone attacks on Saudi oil fields Ruwais refinery in Abu Dhabi Shah gas field in Abu Dhabi port of Fujairah Bapco oil refinery in Bahrain
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- kylehotchkiss 7mo agoConstantly sending missiles and drones towards civilian buildings in Dubai and Doha is morally bankrupt and unjustifiable. It doesn't matter who UAE & Qatar are aligned with, they were at least a friend to Iran for many years.
- fdghrtbrt 7mo agoIs what Israel does in Gaza morally bankrupt and unjustifiable? This isn't whataboutism because I'm not trying to negate your point. Instead, I'm just curious if you apply the same standard to Israel/Gaza or if you think that in that case killing innocent people is justified.
- Gud 7mo agoAt least they’re not bonbing girls schools. I bet USA and Israel has caused more civilian deaths in this conflict than Iran.
- justsomejew 7mo ago[dead]
- blurbleblurble 7mo agoIf you haven't already, look what Pete Hegseth (whose mother disowned him) had to say to the top US commanders about sparking armageddon. This is ultimate bullshit. Cosplaying assholes with captain hook style hangups.
- roughly 7mo agoThere is a reason why no US president in the last 40 years has gone through with the fantasy of attacking Iran. When even George W. Bush decides against a war, it means something.
- fuzzfactor 7mo agoWell, hindsight's 20/20. Trump just doesn't have the snap that Biden had when he was that age, much less Bush.
- roughly 7mo agoForesight, in this case, was also 20/20. Just because they didn’t listen doesn’t mean they weren’t told.
- Gud 7mo agoYeah it’s pretty obviously a stupid idea to attack one of the masters in drone warfare. Iran mass produces drones and have optimized them for the modern battlefield in the Russian war against Ukraine. You don’t win wars with jet aircraft anymore. You win them with (cheap, mass produced) drones. And the US only has expensive drones that can be manufactured at a low rate.
- fuzzfactor 7mo ago>the US only has expensive drones How do you think "Daddy" Warbucks got his name ;)
- cucumber3732842 7mo agoI think George himself is the reason we wound up in Iraq and not Iran. That cabinet was just itching to invade a country full of brown people and oil we could "liberate". Afghanistan obviously didn't scratch that itch and all those people, just by nature of what was going on in the world earlier in their careers, f-ing hated Iran. Buuut, Iran would've been a tough sell. Meanwhile, just over the border there's this other other country full of oil and brown people that's run by a guy the world already considers bad, the propaganda will be easier, the coalition that's keeping him under control is kinda falling apart so we can use the threat of regional destabilization and terrorism to get buy in, the Bush family regrets leaving him in power so any "out of band" advice he may seek is going to be favorable, etc, etc.
- fuzzfactor 7mo agoIn the words of the Qatari Energy Minister; "I never in my wildest dreams would have thought that Qatar would be - Qatar and the region - in such an attack, especially from a brotherly Muslim country in the month of Ramadan, attacking us in this way," That's enough of a display of true leadership to put the ones in the US, Iran, and Israel to complete shame like absolute garbage just because of how bad they need to be thrown out.
- Gud 7mo agoQatar are deeply interconnected with the American military industrial complex.
- fuzzfactor 7mo agoGood point, it's an oil kingdom that first got rich on dollars during the Arab Oil Embargo of the 1970's. And it's been dollars even since, only more of them. If you threw out the Qatari decision-makers though, it wouldn't have much positive impact compared to getting rid of the real stinkers around the world that are only getting worse.
- Gud 7mo agoYes, Qatar is a well run kingdom. Sure, there is the issue of foreign labour malpractices, but in my experience in the gulf states they are evolving in that regard.
- whyage 7mo agoI wonder what the overall effect of this war will be on global warming. If you put together the awful pollution caused by the battle itself and the reduced oil and gas production that follows, it could be a net benefit. Sure, it's a sarcastic pov, but I'm trying to cling to the positive here so be nice.
- bwestergard 7mo agoNot only is it pushing production down, but the resulting high prices are almost certainly going to cause permanently lower demand in certain sectors and countries ("demand destruction"). I would love to see a complete accounting in a year or so.
- pseudohadamard 7mo agoNot necessarily. It's going to massively drive up the demand for coal and wood consumption where it used to be (comparatively) less-polluting gas. We won't really know until 6-12 months have passed and we've collected the data.
- kylehotchkiss 7mo agoUgh. my heart goes out to all the people in south and Southeast Asia who are now going to be paying substantially more for gas to heat up their food.
- thisislife2 7mo agoI am from India, and online gas booking is temporarily no longer available because waiting list is long now (we use gas cylinders, not piped gas here, and so have to book for cylinders to be delivered home when it becomes empty by use). Earlier, I used to get a cylinder within a day or two of booking, but now it is upto 2 weeks in my city. But I am well off, and can rely on electrical / induction stoves if need be. The really poor, who had been enticed to move away from firewoods to gas through free / highly subsidised cylinders are the ones feeling the real pain - they've gone back to using firewood now. Mid-day meal schemes in schools are also affected due to gas shortage and firewood is being used in some areas to ensure the poor students don't go hungry. Some restaurants and small-scale eateries that relied on gas for cooking too have gone back to using firewoods, because of government restrictions on gas usage.
- kylehotchkiss 7mo agoI used to live in India myself. Is the electric grid ready for widespread use of induction cookers? Are the wires in peoples home the right gauge? My air conditioners and heaters cause the sockets they were plugged into to melt in a high rise apartment.
- thisislife2 7mo agoThe electric grid is significantly more capable now, at least in South India. And both induction stoves and electric cookers are already quite popular. The only thing holding them back is the higher cost of electricity - gas is still way, way cheaper. Compliance to using proper gauge of wires and sockets of appropriate ratings unfortunately still depends on the individual, as government supervision of the same is lax.