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This is a weird pattern accross OpenAI/Anthropic to buy startups building better toolings. I don't really see the value for OAI/Anthropic, but it's nice to kno

by lucrbvi 7mo ago

This is a weird pattern accross OpenAI/Anthropic to buy startups building better toolings. I don't really see the value for OAI/Anthropic, but it's nice to know that uv (+ ty and many others) and Bun will stay maintained!

itissid 7mo ago
Isn't this something to do with their paid pyx(as opposed to ty/ruff etc) thingy?
0x3f 7mo ago
> it's nice to know that uv (+ ty and many others) and Bun will stay maintained! Depends if you think the bubble is going to pop, I suppose. In some sense, independence was insulation.
synthc 7mo ago
`uv agent` and `bun agent` in 3....2.....1....
- rgilliotte 7mo ago
  Totally agree The value for Anthropic / OAI is that they have a strong interest in becoming the "default" agent. The one that you don't need to install, because it's already provided by your package manager.
  - everforward 7mo ago
    I don't think this holds because we're talking about developers who know how to use a package manager, on a piece of software you have to install anyways. The friction of "uv add $other_llm_software" is too low for it to have a real impact. I think they're more into the extra context they can build for the LLM with ruff/ty.
    - siva7 7mo ago
      You fool think they are targeting developers with this purchase?
      - everforward 7mo ago
        I don’t think they’re targeting the C suite with it, because they don’t use uv and Microsoft already has Copilot for the “it’s bad but bundled with stuff you’re already paying for” market.
    - dec0dedab0de 7mo ago
      until "uv add $openai_competitor" mysteriously breaks in odd, difficult to troubleshoot ways.
  - jitl 7mo ago
    idk, i think it's the other way around. I imagine in 5 years my new laptop setup will look like: $ curl 'claude.ai/install?key=abcd123' | bash -e $ claude 'finish laptop setup from http://github.com/justjake/Dotfiles' claude will be the one to install / set up the system, not the other way around. claude was certainly the one who installed `uv` on my current machine.
LoganDark 7mo ago
I'm not so sure. I sort of wish they hadn't been acquired because these sort of acquihires usually result in stifling the competition while the incumbent stagnates. It definitely is an acquihire given OpenAI explicitly states they'll be joining the Codex team and only that their existing open-source projects will remain "maintained".
jpalomaki 7mo ago
Somebody took a deeper look at Claude Code and claims to find evidence of Anthropic's PaaS offering [1]. There's certainly money to be made by offering a nice platform where "citizen developers" can push their code. From Astral the (fast) linter and type checker are pretty useful companions for agentic development. [1] https://x.com/AprilNEA/status/2034209430158619084 https://x.com/AprilNEA/status/2034209430158619084
- lucrbvi 7mo ago
  I wouldn't be surprised if Vercel were bought by Anthropic/OAI (but maybe it would be too expensive?)
  - jimmydoe 7mo ago
    Nothing is too expensive. It will be a bidding war.
  - bikelang 7mo ago
    No no - SpaceX/xAi must now buy Vercel so that we can deploy our bloated Next apps to space.
    - GCUMstlyHarmls 7mo ago
      Next now renamed to Xext.
    - dirkc 7mo ago
      At least in space there is lots of space and no heat /s - I'd love for Next to exist in a vacuum
DoctorDabadedoo 7mo ago
Good that they got some money and a longer runaway, but I have my doubts the product will improve rather than be smothered to death. Embrace, extend, extinguish. Time will tell.
christina97 7mo ago
I mean they are “startups” on the way to mega-companies. They need internal tooling to match.
butlike 7mo ago
They probably prompted for what they should do next and got this as a half-hallucinated response lol
OutOfHere 7mo ago
Why do you think that uv, etc. will stay maintained? They will for now, but as soon as cash is tight at OpenAI, they'll get culled so fast that you won't see it coming. This is the risk.
TheCondor 7mo ago
Does OpenAI use a lot of python? There is the literal benefit of "we use the hell out of this tool, we need to make sure it stays usable for us" and then there is what they can learn from or coerce the community in to doing.
- jbonatakis 7mo ago
  I don't know about OpenAI using a lot of Python, but Astral builds all their tools in Rust and just exposes Python bindings. Codex is all Rust. It feels like a reasonable acquisition from that perspective. They're banking on at least in part on the Astral team being able to integrate with and supercharge Codex.
- FaceValuable 7mo ago
  Yeah, it’s all mostly heaps of Python internally aside from Codex.
luxcem 7mo ago
The value is to control the tool chain from idea to production so it can be automated by agents. It's no secret that the final goal is to fully replace developers, the flow "idea to production". It's easier to control that flow if you control each tool and every step. I won't be surprised if the next step is to acquire CI/CD tools.
insane_dreamer 7mo ago
I'm expecting Anthropic to buy Zed
groby_b 7mo ago
The most straightforward one: They run a lot of computational sandboxes that need fast setup. Making sure you can shape the package manager to your needs is a pretty straightforward desire.

by lucrbvi 7mo ago

itissid 7mo ago

Isn't this something to do with their paid pyx(as opposed to ty/ruff etc) thingy?

0x3f 7mo ago

> it's nice to know that uv (+ ty and many others) and Bun will stay maintained! Depends if you think the bubble is going to pop, I suppose. In some sense, independence was insulation.

synthc 7mo ago

`uv agent` and `bun agent` in 3....2.....1....

rgilliotte 7mo ago
Totally agree The value for Anthropic / OAI is that they have a strong interest in becoming the "default" agent. The one that you don't need to install, because it's already provided by your package manager.
- everforward 7mo ago
  I don't think this holds because we're talking about developers who know how to use a package manager, on a piece of software you have to install anyways. The friction of "uv add $other_llm_software" is too low for it to have a real impact. I think they're more into the extra context they can build for the LLM with ruff/ty.
  - siva7 7mo ago
    You fool think they are targeting developers with this purchase?
    - everforward 7mo ago
      I don’t think they’re targeting the C suite with it, because they don’t use uv and Microsoft already has Copilot for the “it’s bad but bundled with stuff you’re already paying for” market.
  - dec0dedab0de 7mo ago
    until "uv add $openai_competitor" mysteriously breaks in odd, difficult to troubleshoot ways.
- jitl 7mo ago
  idk, i think it's the other way around. I imagine in 5 years my new laptop setup will look like: $ curl 'claude.ai/install?key=abcd123' | bash -e $ claude 'finish laptop setup from http://github.com/justjake/Dotfiles' claude will be the one to install / set up the system, not the other way around. claude was certainly the one who installed `uv` on my current machine.

LoganDark 7mo ago

I'm not so sure. I sort of wish they hadn't been acquired because these sort of acquihires usually result in stifling the competition while the incumbent stagnates. It definitely is an acquihire given OpenAI explicitly states they'll be joining the Codex team and only that their existing open-source projects will remain "maintained".

jpalomaki 7mo ago

Somebody took a deeper look at Claude Code and claims to find evidence of Anthropic's PaaS offering [1]. There's certainly money to be made by offering a nice platform where "citizen developers" can push their code. From Astral the (fast) linter and type checker are pretty useful companions for agentic development. [1] https://x.com/AprilNEA/status/2034209430158619084 https://x.com/AprilNEA/status/2034209430158619084

lucrbvi 7mo ago
I wouldn't be surprised if Vercel were bought by Anthropic/OAI (but maybe it would be too expensive?)
- jimmydoe 7mo ago
  Nothing is too expensive. It will be a bidding war.
- bikelang 7mo ago
  No no - SpaceX/xAi must now buy Vercel so that we can deploy our bloated Next apps to space.
  - GCUMstlyHarmls 7mo ago
    Next now renamed to Xext.
  - dirkc 7mo ago
    At least in space there is lots of space and no heat /s - I'd love for Next to exist in a vacuum

DoctorDabadedoo 7mo ago

Good that they got some money and a longer runaway, but I have my doubts the product will improve rather than be smothered to death. Embrace, extend, extinguish. Time will tell.

christina97 7mo ago

I mean they are “startups” on the way to mega-companies. They need internal tooling to match.

butlike 7mo ago

They probably prompted for what they should do next and got this as a half-hallucinated response lol

OutOfHere 7mo ago

Why do you think that uv, etc. will stay maintained? They will for now, but as soon as cash is tight at OpenAI, they'll get culled so fast that you won't see it coming. This is the risk.

TheCondor 7mo ago

Does OpenAI use a lot of python? There is the literal benefit of "we use the hell out of this tool, we need to make sure it stays usable for us" and then there is what they can learn from or coerce the community in to doing.

jbonatakis 7mo ago
I don't know about OpenAI using a lot of Python, but Astral builds all their tools in Rust and just exposes Python bindings. Codex is all Rust. It feels like a reasonable acquisition from that perspective. They're banking on at least in part on the Astral team being able to integrate with and supercharge Codex.
FaceValuable 7mo ago
Yeah, it’s all mostly heaps of Python internally aside from Codex.

luxcem 7mo ago

The value is to control the tool chain from idea to production so it can be automated by agents. It's no secret that the final goal is to fully replace developers, the flow "idea to production". It's easier to control that flow if you control each tool and every step. I won't be surprised if the next step is to acquire CI/CD tools.

insane_dreamer 7mo ago

I'm expecting Anthropic to buy Zed

groby_b 7mo ago

The most straightforward one: They run a lot of computational sandboxes that need fast setup. Making sure you can shape the package manager to your needs is a pretty straightforward desire.