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what do you think of theory that denuclearisation movement in west europe was funded by CCCP? it makes sense to think CCCP/Putin would finance subversive moveme

what do you think of theory that denuclearisation movement in west europe was funded by CCCP? it makes sense to think CCCP/Putin would finance subversive movements to remove nuclear and coal and make the region dependent on russian energy exports

schnitzelstoat 7mo ago
I think some of them are definitely funded by them, there was an article about it I saw: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russia-funding-european-environmental-activists-202846 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russia-funding-europe... They fund other stuff that weakens and divides Europe too like the separatist movements in Scotland, Catalonia etc. That's not to say that all the people in these movements are Russian agents or that these groups don't have some good points and legitimate grievances, but nonetheless they are an easy, cost-effective way for Russia to attack us.
miohtama 7mo ago
Related the children book from Germany https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20221101-the-cloud-the-nuclear-novel-that-shaped-germany https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20221101-the-cloud-the-n...
hallway_monitor 7mo ago
Of all the silly things I’ve seen Europe do over the last 20 years, getting rid of nuclear plants has to be one of the strangest. Sure, we all want solar but it’s not there yet. Hidden forces here would not be a surprise.
- ipython 7mo ago
  Well, lets not forget that Europe was downwind of the worst nuclear accident in world history. https://radioactivity.eu.com/articles/nuclearenergy/chernobyl_plume https://radioactivity.eu.com/articles/nuclearenergy/chernoby... That sort of event doesn't fade away quickly and definitely influenced energy policy that persists to this day. Thankfully the tide is turning due to safer designs.
pydry 7mo ago
An absurd conspiracy theory. Nuclear power has an LCOE that is 5x the cost of solar and wind. Nobody would build it on cost alone. The only reason countries build and run nuclear power plants is because it shares supply chain and a skills base with the nuclear military. Which means they have nukes (France, Russia, US) or they they want to take out an option to one day build a nuke in a hurry just in case for a threat that is usually very obvious (Sweden, Japan, South Korea). This was clearly recognized when Iran started building nuclear power plants but when Poland suddenly got interested in 2023 ostensibly "because environment" after decades of burning mountains of coal nobody batted an eye.
- mono442 7mo ago
  Solar and wind are intermittent. Grid scale energy storage is not even a thing yet.
  - defrost 7mo ago
    https://reneweconomy.com.au/big-battery-storage-map-of-australia/ https://reneweconomy.com.au/big-battery-storage-map-of-austr...
    - mono442 7mo ago
      That's not much. Projects listed there can't store energy for winter needs.
      - defrost 7mo ago
        Ahhhhhhh . . . it's Australia. Winters here have more sunshine than UK summers.
      - triceratops 7mo ago
        It's windy and sunny in the winter too.
      - pydry 7mo ago
        Neither could French nuclear plants when they were turned off for weeks at a time for emergency maintenance. So, France fired up the gas. 5x cheaper electricity, on the other hand, makes power-to-gas economic, which can smooth out seasonal variations in a carbon neutral way.
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schnitzelstoat 7mo ago

I think some of them are definitely funded by them, there was an article about it I saw: https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russia-funding-european-environmental-activists-202846 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russia-funding-europe... They fund other stuff that weakens and divides Europe too like the separatist movements in Scotland, Catalonia etc. That's not to say that all the people in these movements are Russian agents or that these groups don't have some good points and legitimate grievances, but nonetheless they are an easy, cost-effective way for Russia to attack us.

miohtama 7mo ago

Related the children book from Germany https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20221101-the-cloud-the-nuclear-novel-that-shaped-germany https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20221101-the-cloud-the-n...

hallway_monitor 7mo ago

Of all the silly things I’ve seen Europe do over the last 20 years, getting rid of nuclear plants has to be one of the strangest. Sure, we all want solar but it’s not there yet. Hidden forces here would not be a surprise.

ipython 7mo ago
Well, lets not forget that Europe was downwind of the worst nuclear accident in world history. https://radioactivity.eu.com/articles/nuclearenergy/chernobyl_plume https://radioactivity.eu.com/articles/nuclearenergy/chernoby... That sort of event doesn't fade away quickly and definitely influenced energy policy that persists to this day. Thankfully the tide is turning due to safer designs.

pydry 7mo ago

An absurd conspiracy theory. Nuclear power has an LCOE that is 5x the cost of solar and wind. Nobody would build it on cost alone. The only reason countries build and run nuclear power plants is because it shares supply chain and a skills base with the nuclear military. Which means they have nukes (France, Russia, US) or they they want to take out an option to one day build a nuke in a hurry just in case for a threat that is usually very obvious (Sweden, Japan, South Korea). This was clearly recognized when Iran started building nuclear power plants but when Poland suddenly got interested in 2023 ostensibly "because environment" after decades of burning mountains of coal nobody batted an eye.

mono442 7mo ago
Solar and wind are intermittent. Grid scale energy storage is not even a thing yet.
- defrost 7mo ago
  https://reneweconomy.com.au/big-battery-storage-map-of-australia/ https://reneweconomy.com.au/big-battery-storage-map-of-austr...
  - mono442 7mo ago
    That's not much. Projects listed there can't store energy for winter needs.
    - defrost 7mo ago
      Ahhhhhhh . . . it's Australia. Winters here have more sunshine than UK summers.
    - triceratops 7mo ago
      It's windy and sunny in the winter too.
    - pydry 7mo ago
      Neither could French nuclear plants when they were turned off for weeks at a time for emergency maintenance. So, France fired up the gas. 5x cheaper electricity, on the other hand, makes power-to-gas economic, which can smooth out seasonal variations in a carbon neutral way.

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