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This is not correct. They can say "sorry" which makes them as accountable as ordinary developer.

interstice 7mo ago
I've found recent versions of Claude and codex to be reluctant in this regard. They will recognise the problem they created a few minutes ago but often behave as if someone else did it. In many ways that's true though, I suppose.
- bee_rider 7mo ago
  Does it do this for really cut and dry problems? I’ve noticed that ChatGPT will put a lot of effort into (retroactively) “discovering” a basically-valid alternative interpretation of something it said previously, if you object on good grounds. Like it’s trying to evade admitting that it made a mistake, but also find some say to satisfy your objection. Fair enough, if slightly annoying. But I have also caught it on straightforward matters of fact and it’ll apologize. Sometimes in an over the top fashion…
bluefirebrand 7mo ago
That's not what accountability is
- pixl97 7mo ago
  Accountability: "Something that SWE's run screaming from". Example: "We should have professional accountability in software" SWE: "This would bring about the end of the world!!!1!"
  - bigfishrunning 7mo ago
    The economics of software development have lowered the bar for software engineers: there simply aren't enough people who are good at it (or even want to be), and the salaries are very high, so plenty of people who shouldn't be SWE's are. I am a software engineer, and I would absolutely love to see more professional accountability in this field. Unfortunately, it would make the cost of software go up significantly (because many many people writing software would be ejected from the industry)
datsci_est_2015 7mo ago
LLM based solutions don’t need to stay dry and warm at night, with a full belly, possibly with their sexual partner with whom they have a drive to procreate.
bigfishrunning 7mo ago
Ordinary developers get fired for poor performance *all the time*.

I've found recent versions of Claude and codex to be reluctant in this regard. They will recognise the problem they created a few minutes ago but often behave as if someone else did it. In many ways that's true though, I suppose.

bee_rider 7mo ago
Does it do this for really cut and dry problems? I’ve noticed that ChatGPT will put a lot of effort into (retroactively) “discovering” a basically-valid alternative interpretation of something it said previously, if you object on good grounds. Like it’s trying to evade admitting that it made a mistake, but also find some say to satisfy your objection. Fair enough, if slightly annoying. But I have also caught it on straightforward matters of fact and it’ll apologize. Sometimes in an over the top fashion…

bluefirebrand 7mo ago

That's not what accountability is

pixl97 7mo ago
Accountability: "Something that SWE's run screaming from". Example: "We should have professional accountability in software" SWE: "This would bring about the end of the world!!!1!"
- bigfishrunning 7mo ago
  The economics of software development have lowered the bar for software engineers: there simply aren't enough people who are good at it (or even want to be), and the salaries are very high, so plenty of people who shouldn't be SWE's are. I am a software engineer, and I would absolutely love to see more professional accountability in this field. Unfortunately, it would make the cost of software go up significantly (because many many people writing software would be ejected from the industry)

datsci_est_2015 7mo ago

LLM based solutions don’t need to stay dry and warm at night, with a full belly, possibly with their sexual partner with whom they have a drive to procreate.

bigfishrunning 7mo ago

Ordinary developers get fired for poor performance *all the time*.