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Can we go back to making all this garbage, I don’t know, a browser extension or something? All of this crap that everyone keeps pulling into their browsers nee

by kotaKat 7mo ago

Can we go back to making all this garbage, I don’t know, a browser extension or something? All of this crap that everyone keeps pulling into their browsers needs to be ripped back out and made a plugin or an extension. Stop shoving it in the core damn browser. I didn’t need the waste of space and I’m never going to touch it.

philipallstar 7mo ago
Why would a VPN be a good browser extension?
- kotaKat 7mo ago
  Why does the VPN need to be integrated into the browser itself?
  - philipallstar 7mo ago
    I don't think it should. You think it should be a browser extension. I don't think it should either be integrated or a browser extension.
    - fortyseven 7mo ago
      I think we can interpret "browser extension" as a catch-all for "not directly built into the browser", in whatever form that takes.
    - kotaKat 7mo ago
      Quite frankly I don't think it should be either. I'm sick of browsers trying to sidestep my operating system's networking stack (be it forcing their own DNS implementations for 'security' or now this BS).
      - ranger_danger 7mo ago
        There are other usecases that don't affect you which are very handy for others, such as testing site access from different countries with per-tab geo settings from a VPN extension.
- lukan 7mo ago
  Convenience. I also don't mind it in the browser as it would not really add much complexity. Some lines of code at most? VPN's do not require complex client logic - they require actual servers that reroute the user traffic - that is the expensive part. And for many non technical users that is very useful, if they can get that with a click. To get geoblocked content, etc. Mozilla has done way worse things, much more distracting from their core mission - building a browser that people want to use and trust.
lxgr 7mo ago
The core new functionality here seems to be MASQUE proxy support, which is genuinely useful and probably not possible to provide in a plugin. Of course the UI itself could be extracted into a plugin, but I'm not really a fan of the pattern of shipping a large feature and extract only the thin UI layer into a plugin. It felt very weird when Mozilla tried it with "multi-user containers".

by kotaKat 7mo ago

philipallstar 7mo ago

Why would a VPN be a good browser extension?

kotaKat 7mo ago
Why does the VPN need to be integrated into the browser itself?
- philipallstar 7mo ago
  I don't think it should. You think it should be a browser extension. I don't think it should either be integrated or a browser extension.
  - fortyseven 7mo ago
    I think we can interpret "browser extension" as a catch-all for "not directly built into the browser", in whatever form that takes.
  - kotaKat 7mo ago
    Quite frankly I don't think it should be either. I'm sick of browsers trying to sidestep my operating system's networking stack (be it forcing their own DNS implementations for 'security' or now this BS).
    - ranger_danger 7mo ago
      There are other usecases that don't affect you which are very handy for others, such as testing site access from different countries with per-tab geo settings from a VPN extension.
lukan 7mo ago
Convenience. I also don't mind it in the browser as it would not really add much complexity. Some lines of code at most? VPN's do not require complex client logic - they require actual servers that reroute the user traffic - that is the expensive part. And for many non technical users that is very useful, if they can get that with a click. To get geoblocked content, etc. Mozilla has done way worse things, much more distracting from their core mission - building a browser that people want to use and trust.

lxgr 7mo ago

The core new functionality here seems to be MASQUE proxy support, which is genuinely useful and probably not possible to provide in a plugin. Of course the UI itself could be extracted into a plugin, but I'm not really a fan of the pattern of shipping a large feature and extract only the thin UI layer into a plugin. It felt very weird when Mozilla tried it with "multi-user containers".