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I don't need software developer salaries to go up. That would be kind of selfish and narrow minded. What I need instead is something that takes the burden off

I don't need software developer salaries to go up. That would be kind of selfish and narrow minded. What I need instead is something that takes the burden off my entire society and gives them a breather. Universal health care to start. They could also use a higher minimum wage, and lower housing costs.

brigandish 7mo ago
Is it more selfish and narrow minded to wish for a "utopia" that is economically unsound and happens to be your personal preference, or to wish for productive workers' salaries to increase - something with an actual track record of improving any society it occurs in? All perl programmers should be wishing for ponies, that's definitely less narrow minded.
- mjamesaustin 7mo ago
  Universal healthcare is very sound economically. Costs are lower and outcomes better than under private insurance, and overhead is dramatically reduced.
  - brigandish 7mo ago
    This is not true, the Kings Fund publishes a report that the Guardian fauns over whenever it comes out because it shows how "cost effective" the NHS is, yet if you read it you find that actual health outcomes are generally worse than other, insurance based systems. Give me wealth and health over a postcode lottery produced by utopianists.
- doesnt_know 7mo ago
  What part of universal health care, higher minimum wage and lower housing costs sounds like "utopia" to you? That's just the system we have, but slightly better and completely achievable.
  - brigandish 7mo ago
    It doesn't sound like utopia to me, hence the quotation marks. Eminently achievable, but not actually good. Only those engaged in utopian thinking - with a heavy slice of ignorance of basic economics and history - would think it is utopia or leads to it.
- UncleMeat 7mo ago
  The economically sound thing is to accrue more power to those with wealth. The owners will have access to a machine that turns money into money without a cent flowing outside of the owner class. That'll improve society /s.
redrove 7mo ago
>Universal health care to start That already exists in any other country but the USA. Aim higher.
- Cytobit 7mo ago
  Multiversal healthcare?
  - AlienRobot 7mo ago
    You have my vote.

brigandish 7mo ago

Is it more selfish and narrow minded to wish for a "utopia" that is economically unsound and happens to be your personal preference, or to wish for productive workers' salaries to increase - something with an actual track record of improving any society it occurs in? All perl programmers should be wishing for ponies, that's definitely less narrow minded.

mjamesaustin 7mo ago
Universal healthcare is very sound economically. Costs are lower and outcomes better than under private insurance, and overhead is dramatically reduced.
- brigandish 7mo ago
  This is not true, the Kings Fund publishes a report that the Guardian fauns over whenever it comes out because it shows how "cost effective" the NHS is, yet if you read it you find that actual health outcomes are generally worse than other, insurance based systems. Give me wealth and health over a postcode lottery produced by utopianists.
doesnt_know 7mo ago
What part of universal health care, higher minimum wage and lower housing costs sounds like "utopia" to you? That's just the system we have, but slightly better and completely achievable.
- brigandish 7mo ago
  It doesn't sound like utopia to me, hence the quotation marks. Eminently achievable, but not actually good. Only those engaged in utopian thinking - with a heavy slice of ignorance of basic economics and history - would think it is utopia or leads to it.
UncleMeat 7mo ago
The economically sound thing is to accrue more power to those with wealth. The owners will have access to a machine that turns money into money without a cent flowing outside of the owner class. That'll improve society /s.

redrove 7mo ago

>Universal health care to start That already exists in any other country but the USA. Aim higher.

Cytobit 7mo ago
Multiversal healthcare?
- AlienRobot 7mo ago
  You have my vote.