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Eh, fuck that agreement. I'm kind of old school in that I believe if you put it on the internet without an auth-wall, people should be allowed to do whatever th

by ryandvm 7mo ago

Eh, fuck that agreement. I'm kind of old school in that I believe if you put it on the internet without an auth-wall, people should be allowed to do whatever they want with it. The AI companies seem to agree. Then again, I'm not the guy that is going to get sued...

Ylpertnodi 7mo ago
> I believe if you put it on the internet without an auth-wall, people should be allowed to do whatever they want with it. I agree. It's the owners of the sites that have to follow rules, not us.
kmeisthax 7mo ago
"I'm kind of old school in that I believe if you put grass on the ground without a fence, people should be allowed to do whatever they want with it. The noblemen with a thousand cows seem to agree." And that, my friends, is how you kill the commons - by ignoring the social context surrounding its maintenance and insisting upon the most punitive ways of avoiding abuse.
- echelon 7mo ago
  Signal and information are not grass. Grass and property require upkeep. Radio waves and electromagnetic radiation do not. I don't want your dog to piss on my lawn and kill my grass. But what harm does it cause me if you take a picture of my lawn? Or if I take a picture of your dog? If I spend $100M making a Hollywood movie - pay employees, vendors, taxes - contribute to the economic growth of the country - and then that product gets stolen and given away completely for free without being able to see upside, that's a little bit different. But my Hacker News comment? It's not money. I think there are plausible ways to draw lines that protect genuine work, effort, and economics while allowing society and innovation to benefit from the commons.
- petercooper 7mo ago
  Context is important, but isn’t HN’s social context, in particular, that the site is entirely public, easily crawled through its API (which apparently has next to no rate limits) and/or Algolial, and has been archived and mirrored in numerous places for years already?
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by ryandvm 7mo ago

Ylpertnodi 7mo ago

> I believe if you put it on the internet without an auth-wall, people should be allowed to do whatever they want with it. I agree. It's the owners of the sites that have to follow rules, not us.

kmeisthax 7mo ago

"I'm kind of old school in that I believe if you put grass on the ground without a fence, people should be allowed to do whatever they want with it. The noblemen with a thousand cows seem to agree." And that, my friends, is how you kill the commons - by ignoring the social context surrounding its maintenance and insisting upon the most punitive ways of avoiding abuse.

echelon 7mo ago
Signal and information are not grass. Grass and property require upkeep. Radio waves and electromagnetic radiation do not. I don't want your dog to piss on my lawn and kill my grass. But what harm does it cause me if you take a picture of my lawn? Or if I take a picture of your dog? If I spend $100M making a Hollywood movie - pay employees, vendors, taxes - contribute to the economic growth of the country - and then that product gets stolen and given away completely for free without being able to see upside, that's a little bit different. But my Hacker News comment? It's not money. I think there are plausible ways to draw lines that protect genuine work, effort, and economics while allowing society and innovation to benefit from the commons.
petercooper 7mo ago
Context is important, but isn’t HN’s social context, in particular, that the site is entirely public, easily crawled through its API (which apparently has next to no rate limits) and/or Algolial, and has been archived and mirrored in numerous places for years already?

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