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Fascinating how HN is torn about vibe coding still. Everybody pretty much agrees that it works for some use cases, yet there is a flamewar (I mean, cultured, HN

by comboy 7mo ago

Fascinating how HN is torn about vibe coding still. Everybody pretty much agrees that it works for some use cases, yet there is a flamewar (I mean, cultured, HN-type one) every time. People seem to be more comfortable in a binary mindset.

pgwhalen 7mo ago
It’s just how discussion on the internet works, for basically anything at all worth discussing. It’s exhausting, but I can hardly blame HN specifically.
zer00eyz 7mo ago
VIM vs Emacs vs IDE vs..., Tabs vs Spaces, Procedural vs OOP vs Functional. We love a good holy war for sure. The nuance is lost, and the conversations we should be having never happen (requirements, hiring/skills, developer experience).
minimaxir 7mo ago
> Everybody pretty much agrees that it works for some use cases That isn't true, which is the exact reason why people have a binary mindset. More than once on Hacker News I've had people accuse me of being an AI booster just because I said I had success with agents and they did not.
mpalmer 7mo ago
For my part at least, I get the most riled up against the binary thinkers!
- szatkus 7mo ago
  This. A lot of people on HN acts as you can only write code manually (almost, generators and snippets are allowed, because we are used to them) or vibe coding the whole project through a WhatsApp conversation. As if there was nothing in between and the same approach should work for all kinds of projects. Personally I use coding agents for boring parts (I really don't enjoy putting the same piece of string to 20 different classes just to register a new component) and they work quite well, I'm going to use them for foreseeable future, because they make coding much more enjoyable for me. On the other hand I don't have an OpenClaw box burning billions of tokens weekly for me, because I usually don't have ideas that could be clearly specified.
hext 7mo ago
If you enjoy the flamewar, check out /r/SelfHosted which has been losing it's mind over the last few months. The heavy heavy majority of that community is somehow incredibly anti AI despite the fact that the previous "spammy" posts (before ai assisted projects) were all "what is wrong with my docker compose file"??
- ApolloFortyNine 7mo ago
  I had to unsub from that subreddit when I saw a cool new application and the top comments were just dogging it for the signs of Claude Code (claude.md). This is a subreddit about selfhosting things others built for free. Honestly, often for piracy purposes. It's insane how entitled people have become.
  - hext 7mo ago
    Absolutely. Really gross to see. Heavy majority of the complaints boil down to “I can’t blindly trust everything posted here now?” - as if they could before?? So entitled. Also annoys me that all of the suggestions on how to handle filtering AI demonstrate a clear lack of understanding around how agentic coding works. Like if you can’t be bothered to understand why “ban any project that uses AI” is not possible, the entire subreddit is probably above your pay grade…
  - 2postsperday 7mo ago
    The problem is that every day someone "creates" a "new" ffmpeg GUI or similar. There is already a million "ffmpeg GUIs", many of which existed before the advent of AI. We don't need a thousand copies of a tool which is practially useless, espically when I could of just prompted an LLM for a command for ffmpeg to convert to randomfile.emk3ukz file or whatever. The spam was getting unreal.

by comboy 7mo ago

pgwhalen 7mo ago

It’s just how discussion on the internet works, for basically anything at all worth discussing. It’s exhausting, but I can hardly blame HN specifically.

zer00eyz 7mo ago

VIM vs Emacs vs IDE vs..., Tabs vs Spaces, Procedural vs OOP vs Functional. We love a good holy war for sure. The nuance is lost, and the conversations we should be having never happen (requirements, hiring/skills, developer experience).

minimaxir 7mo ago

> Everybody pretty much agrees that it works for some use cases That isn't true, which is the exact reason why people have a binary mindset. More than once on Hacker News I've had people accuse me of being an AI booster just because I said I had success with agents and they did not.

mpalmer 7mo ago

For my part at least, I get the most riled up against the binary thinkers!

szatkus 7mo ago
This. A lot of people on HN acts as you can only write code manually (almost, generators and snippets are allowed, because we are used to them) or vibe coding the whole project through a WhatsApp conversation. As if there was nothing in between and the same approach should work for all kinds of projects. Personally I use coding agents for boring parts (I really don't enjoy putting the same piece of string to 20 different classes just to register a new component) and they work quite well, I'm going to use them for foreseeable future, because they make coding much more enjoyable for me. On the other hand I don't have an OpenClaw box burning billions of tokens weekly for me, because I usually don't have ideas that could be clearly specified.

hext 7mo ago

If you enjoy the flamewar, check out /r/SelfHosted which has been losing it's mind over the last few months. The heavy heavy majority of that community is somehow incredibly anti AI despite the fact that the previous "spammy" posts (before ai assisted projects) were all "what is wrong with my docker compose file"??

ApolloFortyNine 7mo ago
I had to unsub from that subreddit when I saw a cool new application and the top comments were just dogging it for the signs of Claude Code (claude.md). This is a subreddit about selfhosting things others built for free. Honestly, often for piracy purposes. It's insane how entitled people have become.
- hext 7mo ago
  Absolutely. Really gross to see. Heavy majority of the complaints boil down to “I can’t blindly trust everything posted here now?” - as if they could before?? So entitled. Also annoys me that all of the suggestions on how to handle filtering AI demonstrate a clear lack of understanding around how agentic coding works. Like if you can’t be bothered to understand why “ban any project that uses AI” is not possible, the entire subreddit is probably above your pay grade…
- 2postsperday 7mo ago
  The problem is that every day someone "creates" a "new" ffmpeg GUI or similar. There is already a million "ffmpeg GUIs", many of which existed before the advent of AI. We don't need a thousand copies of a tool which is practially useless, espically when I could of just prompted an LLM for a command for ffmpeg to convert to randomfile.emk3ukz file or whatever. The spam was getting unreal.