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If anyone pays so much money to someone they never met, or _dependable_ know their identity, that seems like a major fail. The whole idea that someone who coul

If anyone pays so much money to someone they never met, or _dependable_ know their identity, that seems like a major fail. The whole idea that someone who couldn't legally enter the US, gets easier clearance than any tourist, or foreign academic with an opinion about the current gov that seems uncomfortable to them baffles me. Not the first time some priorities seem out of touch with reality.

downrightmike 7mo ago
BuT They"Re sO cHeAp!
- askl 7mo ago
  > It cites information from the US Government that these IT workers can earn more than $300,000 a year Doesn't sound that cheap.
  - downrightmike 7mo ago
    Can doesn't mean does
simonbw 7mo ago
The point is that there are legit American citizens who are in on the con. They have real SSNs and an actual presence in the US. They run proxy servers out of their house to make it seem like that's where their web traffic is coming from. From the company's perspective, everything seems like a regular remote employee.
- alephnerd 7mo ago
  > The point is that there are legit American citizens who are in on the con... For example - https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/arizona-woman-sentenced-17m-information-technology-worker-fraud-scheme-generated-revenue https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/arizona-woman-sentenced-17m-i... And another one ironically by a Ukrainian national who is ethnic Ukrainian and not Donbas Russian - https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/ukrainian-national-sentenced-laptop-farm-scheme-generated-income-north-korean-it-workers https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/ukrainian-national-senten...
  - potatoman22 7mo ago
    Bloomberg made a good video about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gjnrMg9iSo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gjnrMg9iSo
- ryandrake 7mo ago
  A proxy server can't fool an in-person interview. Totally bizarre how in-person interviews have fallen out of fashion, now that they're needed the most.
  - lelandfe 7mo ago
    I actually have first hand experience with this! One person came for the on site interview, and a different and much worse dev did the remote work once hired. This was over a decade ago now.

downrightmike 7mo ago

BuT They"Re sO cHeAp!

askl 7mo ago
> It cites information from the US Government that these IT workers can earn more than $300,000 a year Doesn't sound that cheap.
- downrightmike 7mo ago
  Can doesn't mean does

simonbw 7mo ago

The point is that there are legit American citizens who are in on the con. They have real SSNs and an actual presence in the US. They run proxy servers out of their house to make it seem like that's where their web traffic is coming from. From the company's perspective, everything seems like a regular remote employee.

alephnerd 7mo ago
> The point is that there are legit American citizens who are in on the con... For example - https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/arizona-woman-sentenced-17m-information-technology-worker-fraud-scheme-generated-revenue https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/arizona-woman-sentenced-17m-i... And another one ironically by a Ukrainian national who is ethnic Ukrainian and not Donbas Russian - https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/ukrainian-national-sentenced-laptop-farm-scheme-generated-income-north-korean-it-workers https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/ukrainian-national-senten...
- potatoman22 7mo ago
  Bloomberg made a good video about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gjnrMg9iSo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gjnrMg9iSo
ryandrake 7mo ago
A proxy server can't fool an in-person interview. Totally bizarre how in-person interviews have fallen out of fashion, now that they're needed the most.
- lelandfe 7mo ago
  I actually have first hand experience with this! One person came for the on site interview, and a different and much worse dev did the remote work once hired. This was over a decade ago now.