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Gonna take a generation to unpick and fix the Trump/DOGE bullshit ...

Schlagbohrer 7mo ago
One hopes if it is rebuilt it's rebuilt to be "good" rather than bad/evil
dnautics 7mo ago
I mean they're on thin ice. I have no love for the trump administration, but It's not clear where the constitution authorizes congress to fund VoA or any government propaganda arm, really. You could equally make the argument "it took three generations to unpick and fix the FDR bullshit".
- wat10000 7mo ago
  Seems like this would fall under the General Welfare clause. Certainly a lot clearer than the idea that growing your own feed for your livestock means you don’t buy feed on the open market which affects prices which means your feed growing qualifies as interstate commerce despite never leaving your land and can therefore be regulated by the federal government.
  - dnautics 7mo ago
    whataboutism. Both of those are bad.
    - wat10000 7mo ago
      You’re the one who brought up FDR, my dude. It’s not whataboutism to address a topic explicitly mentioned by the other party. I personally don’t see the case for saying the Constitution doesn’t authorize government funded media under the General Welfare clause. I can see where there might be room for disagreement, but that clause is pretty broad. Whereas interstate commerce is a lot clearer, and the reasoning in Wickard v. Filburn is pretty transparent bullshit made to reach a desired conclusion. In terms of Congress exceeding its enumerated powers, the latter is vastly worse.
      - dnautics 7mo ago
        > You’re the one who brought up FDR, my dude VOA was established by FDR? > the General Welfare clause. the general welfare clause is pretty clearly in the header of article 1 section 8, with the specific enumerated welfare provisions following it. anything outside of those provisions (e.g. making a non-apporpotioned income tax, making a law that makes alcohol illegal, why not just have those be authorized as "general welfare"?) needs a Constitutional amendment otherwise its just congress creating a power for itself out of whole cloth. look at this point the government pretty clearly breaks every other part of the Constitution except for the pomp and circumstances around the oath of office, so we know where the real priorities lie.
        wat10000 7mo ago
        > VOA was established by FDR? Are you serious? You mentioned FDR by name. > You could equally make the argument "it took three generations to unpick and fix the FDR bullshit". You made the comparison. I made my own comparison. Then you accused me of "whataboutism" for following your lead. I don't have the energy for this bullshit.
        dnautics 7mo ago
        read carefully. "it took three generations to unpick and fix the FDR bullshit [establishing VOA]".
        wat10000 7mo ago
        Ah, so "the FDR bullshit" was specifically about VOA. That was not clear. I thought it was a reference to New Deal policies more broadly. Write more carefully. Actually, in your reply in the other subtree, you added "(among other things)" so it appears I understood it correctly the first time, and it was a reference to New Deal policies more broadly.
        dnautics 7mo ago
        yes and the comment i originally responded to talks about Trump/DOGE in a broad sense, which is also more than just VOA. actually doge is unwinding quite a bit of FDR bullshit it turns out so my analogy is a nice mirror.
- superxpro12 7mo ago
  Tone doesnt come over well in text. What exactly is the "FDR Bullshit"?
  - dnautics 7mo ago
    establishing VOA (among other things)
- array_key_first 7mo ago
  > it took three generations to unpick and fix the FDR bullshit The difference is that the New Deal is one of, like, 3 reasons the US isn't a complete shithole. Basically everything you like about the US can be traced back to the New Deal.
  - dnautics 7mo ago
    > Basically everything you like about the US can be traced back to the New Deal. like, the fucked up "worst of both both worlds socialism and capitalism" employment-tied healthcare system we have, arguably the #1 biggest problem in contemporary us? they dont teach history good in this country any more i guess

One hopes if it is rebuilt it's rebuilt to be "good" rather than bad/evil

I mean they're on thin ice. I have no love for the trump administration, but It's not clear where the constitution authorizes congress to fund VoA or any government propaganda arm, really. You could equally make the argument "it took three generations to unpick and fix the FDR bullshit".

wat10000 7mo ago
Seems like this would fall under the General Welfare clause. Certainly a lot clearer than the idea that growing your own feed for your livestock means you don’t buy feed on the open market which affects prices which means your feed growing qualifies as interstate commerce despite never leaving your land and can therefore be regulated by the federal government.
- dnautics 7mo ago
  whataboutism. Both of those are bad.
  - wat10000 7mo ago
    You’re the one who brought up FDR, my dude. It’s not whataboutism to address a topic explicitly mentioned by the other party. I personally don’t see the case for saying the Constitution doesn’t authorize government funded media under the General Welfare clause. I can see where there might be room for disagreement, but that clause is pretty broad. Whereas interstate commerce is a lot clearer, and the reasoning in Wickard v. Filburn is pretty transparent bullshit made to reach a desired conclusion. In terms of Congress exceeding its enumerated powers, the latter is vastly worse.
    - dnautics 7mo ago
      > You’re the one who brought up FDR, my dude VOA was established by FDR? > the General Welfare clause. the general welfare clause is pretty clearly in the header of article 1 section 8, with the specific enumerated welfare provisions following it. anything outside of those provisions (e.g. making a non-apporpotioned income tax, making a law that makes alcohol illegal, why not just have those be authorized as "general welfare"?) needs a Constitutional amendment otherwise its just congress creating a power for itself out of whole cloth. look at this point the government pretty clearly breaks every other part of the Constitution except for the pomp and circumstances around the oath of office, so we know where the real priorities lie.
      - wat10000 7mo ago
        > VOA was established by FDR? Are you serious? You mentioned FDR by name. > You could equally make the argument "it took three generations to unpick and fix the FDR bullshit". You made the comparison. I made my own comparison. Then you accused me of "whataboutism" for following your lead. I don't have the energy for this bullshit.
        dnautics 7mo ago
        read carefully. "it took three generations to unpick and fix the FDR bullshit [establishing VOA]".
        wat10000 7mo ago
        Ah, so "the FDR bullshit" was specifically about VOA. That was not clear. I thought it was a reference to New Deal policies more broadly. Write more carefully. Actually, in your reply in the other subtree, you added "(among other things)" so it appears I understood it correctly the first time, and it was a reference to New Deal policies more broadly.
        dnautics 7mo ago
        yes and the comment i originally responded to talks about Trump/DOGE in a broad sense, which is also more than just VOA. actually doge is unwinding quite a bit of FDR bullshit it turns out so my analogy is a nice mirror.
superxpro12 7mo ago
Tone doesnt come over well in text. What exactly is the "FDR Bullshit"?
- dnautics 7mo ago
  establishing VOA (among other things)
array_key_first 7mo ago
> it took three generations to unpick and fix the FDR bullshit The difference is that the New Deal is one of, like, 3 reasons the US isn't a complete shithole. Basically everything you like about the US can be traced back to the New Deal.
- dnautics 7mo ago
  > Basically everything you like about the US can be traced back to the New Deal. like, the fucked up "worst of both both worlds socialism and capitalism" employment-tied healthcare system we have, arguably the #1 biggest problem in contemporary us? they dont teach history good in this country any more i guess