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Do you have a car now? A phone? If you are wearing pants you are being tracked right now!

darkwater 7mo ago
So why all this hysteria about cars tracking us if we already carrying phones with us that has been tracking us for almost 2 decades now? I'm being a bit sarcastic but also not. I understand the sentiment of people here but also the 2 standards applied.
- trashb 7mo ago
  Because you can choose to leave your phone at home and are travel everywhere by car if you don't want to be tracked. But you can't leave your car at home and travel anywhere. It is true that we don't need cars sending telemetry to track us since there is a conveniently placed identification number on the front and rear of the car, the number plate (used by government), but this is physically broadcasted and that limits its reach. So why should the manufacturer of my car have access (and the right to sell) a lot of my personal data like location, weight, age indefinitely just because I own a product manufactured by them? It is an unnecessary overreach on very sensitive data and I can't really opt out (if buying a modern car) since all manufacturers are doing it. Yes I also carried a phone everywhere the last 20years, but that doesn't make the tracking right (also on phone I think we should be tracked less).
  - darkwater 7mo ago
    I understand and agree in general, but the root issue is in the laws and what's permitted to companies. Giving your data to car manufacturers and 3rd parties should be mandated to be disabled by default by law and only enabled with proper informed consent.
- everdrive 7mo ago
  Because you can leave your phone at home? Because I hate my phone and I'm not happy about that either?
- pamcake 7mo ago
  > we already carrying phones with us that has been tracking us for almost 2 decades now Speak for yourself. Also, lack of equivalent for "airplane mode" where it keeps functioning without remote connectivity makes it fundamentally worse.
LightBug1 7mo ago
2005 Toyota, baby! No fucking internet connection or touch screen.
drnick1 7mo ago
My car does not have a cellular modem in it, and my phone runs GrapheneOS. I use airplane mode extensively and rotate SIMs regularly. Data brokers aren't getting any anything from me.

So why all this hysteria about cars tracking us if we already carrying phones with us that has been tracking us for almost 2 decades now? I'm being a bit sarcastic but also not. I understand the sentiment of people here but also the 2 standards applied.

trashb 7mo ago
Because you can choose to leave your phone at home and are travel everywhere by car if you don't want to be tracked. But you can't leave your car at home and travel anywhere. It is true that we don't need cars sending telemetry to track us since there is a conveniently placed identification number on the front and rear of the car, the number plate (used by government), but this is physically broadcasted and that limits its reach. So why should the manufacturer of my car have access (and the right to sell) a lot of my personal data like location, weight, age indefinitely just because I own a product manufactured by them? It is an unnecessary overreach on very sensitive data and I can't really opt out (if buying a modern car) since all manufacturers are doing it. Yes I also carried a phone everywhere the last 20years, but that doesn't make the tracking right (also on phone I think we should be tracked less).
- darkwater 7mo ago
  I understand and agree in general, but the root issue is in the laws and what's permitted to companies. Giving your data to car manufacturers and 3rd parties should be mandated to be disabled by default by law and only enabled with proper informed consent.
everdrive 7mo ago
Because you can leave your phone at home? Because I hate my phone and I'm not happy about that either?
pamcake 7mo ago
> we already carrying phones with us that has been tracking us for almost 2 decades now Speak for yourself. Also, lack of equivalent for "airplane mode" where it keeps functioning without remote connectivity makes it fundamentally worse.

LightBug1 7mo ago

2005 Toyota, baby! No fucking internet connection or touch screen.

drnick1 7mo ago

My car does not have a cellular modem in it, and my phone runs GrapheneOS. I use airplane mode extensively and rotate SIMs regularly. Data brokers aren't getting any anything from me.