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> same member value within the same function body are stable Did you miss the part where I explained to you there's no way to identify that it's a member varia

> same member value within the same function body are stable Did you miss the part where I explained to you there's no way to identify that it's a member variable? > Nobody in the real world expects this behaviour As has already been explained to you by a sibling comment you are in fact wrong and there are in fact plenty of people in the real world who do actually expect this behavior. So I'll repeat myself: lots of hottakes from just pure. Unadulterated, possibly willful, ignorance.

coldtea 7mo ago
The above is a very thick response that doesn't address the parent's points, just sweeps them under the rag with "that's just how it was designed/it works". "Did you miss the part where I explained to you there's no way to identify that it's a member variable?" No, you you did miss the case where that in itself can be considered nuts - or at least an unfortunate early decision. "this just how things are dunn around diz here parts" is not an argument.
- mathisfun123 7mo ago
  > considered nuts - or at least an unfortunate early decision Please explain to us then how exactly you would infer a variable with an arbitrary name is actually a reference to the class instance in an interpreted language.
  - coldtea 7mo ago
    >Please explain to us then how exactly you would infer a variable with an arbitrary name is actually a reference to the class instance in an interpreted language. Did I stutter when I wrote about "an unfortunate early decision"? Who said it has to be "an arbitrary name"? Even so, you could add a bloody marker announcing an arbitrary name (which 99% would be self anyway) as so, as an instruction to the interpreter. If it fails, it fails, like countless other things that can fail during runtime in Python today.
    - NetMageSCW 7mo ago
      But now you are no longer talking about the way Python works, but the way you want Python to work - and that has nothing to do with Python.
      - coldtea 7mo ago
        "The way our economy works is bad" "That's how it's been since forever, it's an essential part of country X" "Yes, and it's a badly designed part". "But now you are no longer talking about the way country X works, but the way you want country X to work - and that has nothing to do with country X." See how the argument quickly degenerates?
        mathisfun123 7mo ago
        ok then be the change you want to see in the world and send a PR instead of just proclaiming things lololol
        coldtea 7mo ago
        A, the idiotic "it's FOSS, send a PR" argument, lololol
- 1718627440 7mo ago
  > No, you you did miss the case where that in itself can be considered nuts - or at least an unfortunate early decision. This is not a side implementation detail, that they got wrong, this is a fundamental design goal of Python. You can find that nuts, but then just don't use Python, because that is (one of) that things, that make Python Python.

coldtea 7mo ago

The above is a very thick response that doesn't address the parent's points, just sweeps them under the rag with "that's just how it was designed/it works". "Did you miss the part where I explained to you there's no way to identify that it's a member variable?" No, you you did miss the case where that in itself can be considered nuts - or at least an unfortunate early decision. "this just how things are dunn around diz here parts" is not an argument.

mathisfun123 7mo ago
> considered nuts - or at least an unfortunate early decision Please explain to us then how exactly you would infer a variable with an arbitrary name is actually a reference to the class instance in an interpreted language.
- coldtea 7mo ago
  >Please explain to us then how exactly you would infer a variable with an arbitrary name is actually a reference to the class instance in an interpreted language. Did I stutter when I wrote about "an unfortunate early decision"? Who said it has to be "an arbitrary name"? Even so, you could add a bloody marker announcing an arbitrary name (which 99% would be self anyway) as so, as an instruction to the interpreter. If it fails, it fails, like countless other things that can fail during runtime in Python today.
  - NetMageSCW 7mo ago
    But now you are no longer talking about the way Python works, but the way you want Python to work - and that has nothing to do with Python.
    - coldtea 7mo ago
      "The way our economy works is bad" "That's how it's been since forever, it's an essential part of country X" "Yes, and it's a badly designed part". "But now you are no longer talking about the way country X works, but the way you want country X to work - and that has nothing to do with country X." See how the argument quickly degenerates?
      - mathisfun123 7mo ago
        ok then be the change you want to see in the world and send a PR instead of just proclaiming things lololol
        coldtea 7mo ago
        A, the idiotic "it's FOSS, send a PR" argument, lololol
1718627440 7mo ago
> No, you you did miss the case where that in itself can be considered nuts - or at least an unfortunate early decision. This is not a side implementation detail, that they got wrong, this is a fundamental design goal of Python. You can find that nuts, but then just don't use Python, because that is (one of) that things, that make Python Python.