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> We won’t hire anybody moving forward who doesn’t have hands-on agentic programming experience. This doesn't make a lot of sense to me even as someone who use

> We won’t hire anybody moving forward who doesn’t have hands-on agentic programming experience. This doesn't make a lot of sense to me even as someone who uses agentic programming. I would understand not hiring people who are against the idea of agentic programming, but I'd take a skilled programmer (especially one who is good at code review and debugging) who never touched agentic/LLM programming (but knows they will be expected to use it) over someone with less overall programming experience (but some agentic programming experience) every single time. I think people vastly oversell using agents as some sort of skill in its own right when the reality is that a skilled developer can pick up how to use the flows and tools on the timescale of hours/days.

dlivingston 7mo ago
Right. Using Claude Code & friends is not some esoteric skill that needs years in the trenches to learn which magical incantations to utter. You prompt it. That's it. Yes, there are better and worse ways of prompting; yes, there are techniques and SKILLs and MCP servers for maximizing usability, and yes, there are right ways to vibe code and wrong ways to vibe code. But it's not hard. At all. And the last person I want to work with is the expert vibe coder who doesn't know the fundamentals well enough to have coded the same thing by hand.
furyofantares 7mo ago
Yeah, will they take someone who has two months of hands-on with Claude Code, just not someone with zero? Come on, I'll take a great programmer with zero who knows they need to use it over a mediocre programmer who's been doing it since Claude Code released and I expect to be better off for doing so within 2 weeks.
dasil003 7mo ago
I suspect it’s not about agentic coding being a special skill, and more about why a competent programmer wouldn’t have tried it by this point, and whether that is a sign of ideological objections that could cause friction with the team. Not saying I agree with that thinking, but I definitely see why a hiring manager could think that way.
- bitwize 7mo ago
  If you aren't taking advantage of it, you are not a competent software engineer in 2026.
  - bigstrat2003 7mo ago
    On the contrary. That's the only kind of competent software engineer in 2026. Competent engineers don't hand things off to the tool that generates terrible code really quickly.
  - tantivy 7mo ago
    Claude has been a big boost to my sense of competency. I get to point out so many poor solutions in slop PRs now
  - array_key_first 7mo ago
    Many companies cannot take advantage of it. Not everyone is making toy CRUD web applications to help consumers purchase things they don't want. Some people are making safety critical applications, and many more are making highly sensitive applications. At my job, we just got agents. Because we had to self-host them in our new data center. Our product isn't the kind that can be used with Claude or Gemini, like, legally.
    - raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
      So you just said that you couldn’t use coding agents because you are doing “very important things”, while you clutch your pearls about what other people are doing but your company is in fact using coding agents…
      - array_key_first 7mo ago
        I'm not clutching my pearls over anything, and our applications aren't important. They're mostly stupid and bad, but because of laws we can't just hand out that data to anybody with a pulse. I think using agents is great. I'm just saying that lots of people haven't been using them not because they're dumb or a (sigh) luddite or whatever, but because they can't. The economy is really big, and while most companies play fast and loose with data, many don't. Of the ones that do, most of them probably should not, but because it's not technically illegal, of course they do. That principle is a big part of the reason why the US sucks. For us though, it is actually illegal, so we don't. And we're not the fucking CIA or something, again, we make bad stupid products. So, if that's the case for us, that's the case for a lot of companies. We legitimately had to buy a new datacenter for this shit.

dlivingston 7mo ago

Right. Using Claude Code & friends is not some esoteric skill that needs years in the trenches to learn which magical incantations to utter. You prompt it. That's it. Yes, there are better and worse ways of prompting; yes, there are techniques and SKILLs and MCP servers for maximizing usability, and yes, there are right ways to vibe code and wrong ways to vibe code. But it's not hard. At all. And the last person I want to work with is the expert vibe coder who doesn't know the fundamentals well enough to have coded the same thing by hand.

furyofantares 7mo ago

Yeah, will they take someone who has two months of hands-on with Claude Code, just not someone with zero? Come on, I'll take a great programmer with zero who knows they need to use it over a mediocre programmer who's been doing it since Claude Code released and I expect to be better off for doing so within 2 weeks.

dasil003 7mo ago

I suspect it’s not about agentic coding being a special skill, and more about why a competent programmer wouldn’t have tried it by this point, and whether that is a sign of ideological objections that could cause friction with the team. Not saying I agree with that thinking, but I definitely see why a hiring manager could think that way.

bitwize 7mo ago
If you aren't taking advantage of it, you are not a competent software engineer in 2026.
- bigstrat2003 7mo ago
  On the contrary. That's the only kind of competent software engineer in 2026. Competent engineers don't hand things off to the tool that generates terrible code really quickly.
- tantivy 7mo ago
  Claude has been a big boost to my sense of competency. I get to point out so many poor solutions in slop PRs now
- array_key_first 7mo ago
  Many companies cannot take advantage of it. Not everyone is making toy CRUD web applications to help consumers purchase things they don't want. Some people are making safety critical applications, and many more are making highly sensitive applications. At my job, we just got agents. Because we had to self-host them in our new data center. Our product isn't the kind that can be used with Claude or Gemini, like, legally.
  - raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
    So you just said that you couldn’t use coding agents because you are doing “very important things”, while you clutch your pearls about what other people are doing but your company is in fact using coding agents…
    - array_key_first 7mo ago
      I'm not clutching my pearls over anything, and our applications aren't important. They're mostly stupid and bad, but because of laws we can't just hand out that data to anybody with a pulse. I think using agents is great. I'm just saying that lots of people haven't been using them not because they're dumb or a (sigh) luddite or whatever, but because they can't. The economy is really big, and while most companies play fast and loose with data, many don't. Of the ones that do, most of them probably should not, but because it's not technically illegal, of course they do. That principle is a big part of the reason why the US sucks. For us though, it is actually illegal, so we don't. And we're not the fucking CIA or something, again, we make bad stupid products. So, if that's the case for us, that's the case for a lot of companies. We legitimately had to buy a new datacenter for this shit.