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I agree with the criticisms of modern macOS. However, let’s not forget their competitor is Windows. So even if they aren’t going great, it’s not like they have

by tyleo 7mo ago

I agree with the criticisms of modern macOS. However, let’s not forget their competitor is Windows. So even if they aren’t going great, it’s not like they have stiff competiton. Thats before even getting into hardware where Microsoft is even further behind. It’s unfortunate that it’s so hard to disrupt this space.

wvbdmp 7mo ago
On the contrary, it’s unfortunate that this space can’t just be an island of stability, where things keep working the way they always have and new features are added unobtrusively. Instead we get surface-level change for the sake of change as well as slop and surveillance nobody asked for, and are still missing conveniences that have been table-stakes on mobile for years. It would be a a step in the right direction if Windows would simply stop disrupting itself.
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
  > it’s unfortunate that this space can’t just be an island of stability, where things keep working the way they always have and new features are added unobtrusively There are plenty of Linux operating systems that prize stability over feature richness. They work fine if that's your workflow. Most folks' workflows, unfortunately, are not that.
  - coldtea 7mo ago
    >There are plenty of Linux operating systems that prize stability over feature richness. It's a choice between arbitrary changes and constant redesigns every 4-5 years, versus bare-bones distros and DEs. The parent asks for a third option: well featured, mature, distros that don't change for the sake of it, but still have the features.
    - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
      > well featured, mature, distros that don't change for the sake of it, but still have the features I’m arguing this niche barely exists. Folks who want to run modern software tend to want something that “looks” modern.
      - coldtea 7mo ago
        >Folks who want to run modern software tend to want something that “looks” modern. Looks that way because nobody asked them, and marketing types and designers decide for them...
    - em-bee 7mo ago
      fedora. stable, not bleeding edge but frequently updated (twice a year).
pjmlp 7mo ago
Lets also not forget the salaries of most people outside US and Europe.
- bzzzt 7mo ago
  Doesn't seem to prevent half of the world from buying iOS devices with equally inflated prices.
  - pjmlp 7mo ago
    Except Apple laptops usually aren't subsidised by mobile phone operators, offered for free in exchange of a five year contract, where the owner is actually the mobile operator due to device locking.
    - bzzzt 7mo ago
      That's not been the case here (the Netherlands) for years since the 'hidden loan' of the phone was outlawed. Yet everybody under 20 aspires to have an iPhone.
      - pjmlp 7mo ago
        Where is Netherlands located? Then go back to my original comment. Additionally, do you happen to know even in Europe, what is average salary of the southern countries and why so many folks try to move into central and northen Europe? Naturally buying an iPhone, or anything Apple, with a Dutch salary doesn't need hand holding.
hilliardfarmer 7mo ago
As a Linux user it's hard to understand people using either windows or mac. At this point it's looking more like brainwashing than out of convenience.
- sharts 7mo ago
  A BSD user would likely have the same sentiment about Linux users.
- 46493168 7mo ago
  Really? When every thread about linux on a laptop includes comments like “palm rejection doesn’t work but I use an external mouse so I don’t care” and “the laptop gets hot in my backpack because sleep/suspend doesn’t work so I just power it down” you’re still not sure why people are using a windows or a mac? At this point I’m beginning to suspect that linux users have stockholm syndrome. Or is Tux standing behind you with a gun? I know, I know, you don’t have any of those problems. You have the Blessed Configuration that has the right tradeoffs for you. But like… most people don’t want to spend waking hours reading Archwiki to figure out why their wifi drops when they move from one room in their house to another…
  - em-bee 7mo ago
    most people don't have any of those problems. what you need to consider is that only those people who actually do have problems will talk about them. the rest of us stay silent. also, linux users are more vocal, they don't stay silent about problems. that's what gets things fixed
    - 46493168 7mo ago
      People make choices based on information in the market. The question in the thread was “why are people using Mac and Windows?” One answer is: linux is not well known, and what is know is that Linux is a hassle.
- coldtea 7mo ago
  As a long time user of all 3, it's hard to understand why people would use Linux as a main driver, especially if they aren't just programmers, but also dabble in video or music.

by tyleo 7mo ago

wvbdmp 7mo ago

On the contrary, it’s unfortunate that this space can’t just be an island of stability, where things keep working the way they always have and new features are added unobtrusively. Instead we get surface-level change for the sake of change as well as slop and surveillance nobody asked for, and are still missing conveniences that have been table-stakes on mobile for years. It would be a a step in the right direction if Windows would simply stop disrupting itself.

JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
> it’s unfortunate that this space can’t just be an island of stability, where things keep working the way they always have and new features are added unobtrusively There are plenty of Linux operating systems that prize stability over feature richness. They work fine if that's your workflow. Most folks' workflows, unfortunately, are not that.
- coldtea 7mo ago
  >There are plenty of Linux operating systems that prize stability over feature richness. It's a choice between arbitrary changes and constant redesigns every 4-5 years, versus bare-bones distros and DEs. The parent asks for a third option: well featured, mature, distros that don't change for the sake of it, but still have the features.
  - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
    > well featured, mature, distros that don't change for the sake of it, but still have the features I’m arguing this niche barely exists. Folks who want to run modern software tend to want something that “looks” modern.
    - coldtea 7mo ago
      >Folks who want to run modern software tend to want something that “looks” modern. Looks that way because nobody asked them, and marketing types and designers decide for them...
  - em-bee 7mo ago
    fedora. stable, not bleeding edge but frequently updated (twice a year).

pjmlp 7mo ago

Lets also not forget the salaries of most people outside US and Europe.

bzzzt 7mo ago
Doesn't seem to prevent half of the world from buying iOS devices with equally inflated prices.
- pjmlp 7mo ago
  Except Apple laptops usually aren't subsidised by mobile phone operators, offered for free in exchange of a five year contract, where the owner is actually the mobile operator due to device locking.
  - bzzzt 7mo ago
    That's not been the case here (the Netherlands) for years since the 'hidden loan' of the phone was outlawed. Yet everybody under 20 aspires to have an iPhone.
    - pjmlp 7mo ago
      Where is Netherlands located? Then go back to my original comment. Additionally, do you happen to know even in Europe, what is average salary of the southern countries and why so many folks try to move into central and northen Europe? Naturally buying an iPhone, or anything Apple, with a Dutch salary doesn't need hand holding.

hilliardfarmer 7mo ago

As a Linux user it's hard to understand people using either windows or mac. At this point it's looking more like brainwashing than out of convenience.

sharts 7mo ago
A BSD user would likely have the same sentiment about Linux users.
46493168 7mo ago
Really? When every thread about linux on a laptop includes comments like “palm rejection doesn’t work but I use an external mouse so I don’t care” and “the laptop gets hot in my backpack because sleep/suspend doesn’t work so I just power it down” you’re still not sure why people are using a windows or a mac? At this point I’m beginning to suspect that linux users have stockholm syndrome. Or is Tux standing behind you with a gun? I know, I know, you don’t have any of those problems. You have the Blessed Configuration that has the right tradeoffs for you. But like… most people don’t want to spend waking hours reading Archwiki to figure out why their wifi drops when they move from one room in their house to another…
- em-bee 7mo ago
  most people don't have any of those problems. what you need to consider is that only those people who actually do have problems will talk about them. the rest of us stay silent. also, linux users are more vocal, they don't stay silent about problems. that's what gets things fixed
  - 46493168 7mo ago
    People make choices based on information in the market. The question in the thread was “why are people using Mac and Windows?” One answer is: linux is not well known, and what is know is that Linux is a hassle.
coldtea 7mo ago
As a long time user of all 3, it's hard to understand why people would use Linux as a main driver, especially if they aren't just programmers, but also dabble in video or music.