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> It's a failing of our society that genuinely high IQ people are not out there working to improve the lot of mankind. Or maybe it's a failing of those high IQ

> It's a failing of our society that genuinely high IQ people are not out there working to improve the lot of mankind. Or maybe it's a failing of those high IQ people? The genius who proudly saves the codebase at Zynga every single day is completely useless compared to any single nurse working her shift right now. Even the doctor at the top of the hospital does not necessarily have a stellar IQ. What other way is there to put it? Should we feel bad for smart people because society tricks them into financial services rather than less-paid cancer research? (No one would look down on someone who does the latter.)

gurkendoktor 14y ago
(I would love to be proven wrong by somebody who knows what Mensa spends their brainpower thinking about :))
hackinthebochs 14y ago
>Should we feel bad for smart people because society tricks them into financial services rather than less-paid cancer research? No, we should feel ashamed that we've created a society where the brightest are funneled into financial services. We should feel utterly devastated that we let genius wallow in menial jobs. It is a failing of the system at every level that these people fall through the cracks and end up doing nothing with their gifts. Raw intelligence is a resource that society should work hard to 'exploit'. Sure doctors and nurses save a lot of lives and that doesn't necessarily require genius. But compared to, say, the guy who discovered the double-helix structure of DNA, their impact on humanity doesn't even come close.
- gurkendoktor 14y ago
  > It is a failing of the system at every level that these people fall through the cracks and end up doing nothing with their gifts. Are we speaking of different groups of people? I agree that young geniuses should be treasured and given all the freedom they need to grow. But as adults, if they take on a job in HFT and stay there, it is not falling through the cracks anymore. They're irresponsible by choice, not because a faceless society forces them to (well, in most cases). I agree about the double-helix discovery, but does anyone really need to do an IQ test to find out whether they'll be a scientist? I don't want to say "the proof is in the pudding", because there is lot of chance in science, but "the proof is in the job" comes close IMHO :)
  - hackinthebochs 14y ago
    I was attempting to comment on those on both sides of the spectrum, the finance gurus, and who fall through the cracks or otherwise don't thrive in our educational system. But I don't think laying the blame solely on those who choose a lucrative path is being completely honest with ourselves. People as a whole respond to incentives, and when we give a genius every incentive possible to buck science and research in favor of finance, we as a society bear a large amount of responsibility for this choice. We must change what we value as a society first, then we'll see this trend reverse itself. Admittedly, I haven't the slightest clue how to accomplish this.

gurkendoktor 14y ago

(I would love to be proven wrong by somebody who knows what Mensa spends their brainpower thinking about :))

hackinthebochs 14y ago

>Should we feel bad for smart people because society tricks them into financial services rather than less-paid cancer research? No, we should feel ashamed that we've created a society where the brightest are funneled into financial services. We should feel utterly devastated that we let genius wallow in menial jobs. It is a failing of the system at every level that these people fall through the cracks and end up doing nothing with their gifts. Raw intelligence is a resource that society should work hard to 'exploit'. Sure doctors and nurses save a lot of lives and that doesn't necessarily require genius. But compared to, say, the guy who discovered the double-helix structure of DNA, their impact on humanity doesn't even come close.

gurkendoktor 14y ago
> It is a failing of the system at every level that these people fall through the cracks and end up doing nothing with their gifts. Are we speaking of different groups of people? I agree that young geniuses should be treasured and given all the freedom they need to grow. But as adults, if they take on a job in HFT and stay there, it is not falling through the cracks anymore. They're irresponsible by choice, not because a faceless society forces them to (well, in most cases). I agree about the double-helix discovery, but does anyone really need to do an IQ test to find out whether they'll be a scientist? I don't want to say "the proof is in the pudding", because there is lot of chance in science, but "the proof is in the job" comes close IMHO :)
- hackinthebochs 14y ago
  I was attempting to comment on those on both sides of the spectrum, the finance gurus, and who fall through the cracks or otherwise don't thrive in our educational system. But I don't think laying the blame solely on those who choose a lucrative path is being completely honest with ourselves. People as a whole respond to incentives, and when we give a genius every incentive possible to buck science and research in favor of finance, we as a society bear a large amount of responsibility for this choice. We must change what we value as a society first, then we'll see this trend reverse itself. Admittedly, I haven't the slightest clue how to accomplish this.