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What this guys said: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7vvti/what_on_gods_green_earth_gets_a_fucking_pl7/c07k8f9 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/

What this guys said: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7vvti/what_on_gods_green_earth_gets_a_fucking_pl7/c07k8f9 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7vvti/what_on_g...

jrockway 18y ago
Yeah. I refuse to comment on Reddit, though, so I rehashed it over here.
- pavel_lishin 18y ago
  Why the strong refusal?
  - jrockway 18y ago
    I really want to have intelligent discussions, but everyone over there just posts stupid personal attacks when they disagree with you. If I'm going to spend the effort composing a post, I want people to read an think about it, not just make a snide attack. (FWIW, I am guilty of making TONS of snide personal attacks on Reddit. The community rewards it.) The thread that made me quit Reddit for good is this one: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7uvkz/to_stop_all_the_multiple_posts_why_not_add_a/c07htm2 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7uvkz/to_stop_a... My post is definitely on the sarcastic side, but it did take me some time to think about and compose. I just wanted to show that people aren't "idiots" for using an ORM. In return, I get a personal attack from someone who has probably never written a line of code in his life. This just doesn't happen on HN. There are people with ideas that I disagree with, but at least they have something more intelligent to say than "your dumb". So since I only have a finite amount of time, and I spend too much of it replying to social news sites, I figured I'd give up the stupid one for good. We will see how it goes. BTW, I don't think everything on HN is intelligent... but it is several orders of magnitude better than Reddit. (I wrote a bit about this last night, as well: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=473023 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=473023). Also, I'm sure I make stupid comments from time to time... but hey, nobody's perfect :)
    - eli 18y ago
      I don't think everything on HN is intelligent... but it is several orders of magnitude better than Reddit. I second that. In fact, I couldn't click that link because I set my HOSTS file to block reddit.com from my work computer. I was spending way too much time on that site having stupid arguments.
    - pavel_lishin 18y ago
      I think as HN gets bigger, it'll become more and more like reddit. You either have to learn to live with idiots (like me, I'll admit) or you gotta keep island-hopping.
      - jrockway 18y ago
        A secondary issue was the time investment. Now that I no longer care about trying to educate Reddit, I have time to ... not do that -- there is always something better to do than to converse with people that don't want to converse with you. If HN "goes to shit", you can bet that I will get fed up and leave. It doesn't bother me much -- the people that I like on HN will probably go to the same place. (Plus, HN does good things like completely deleting comments that are just going to attract flames. Censorship sucks, but if you want to talk without being deleted, get a blog. Hopefully HN's aggressiveness here will ensure that it remains the "island" to hop to for a few more years.)
    - rm999 18y ago
      That guy on reddit is a troll, and his comment was modded down. No free social site will ever be invulnerable to trolls, but they must be ignored. I post on both reddit and here, and I think your generalization that "everyone over there just posts stupid personal attacks when they disagree with you" is not constructive. Your original comment about how you refuse to comment on reddit added zero value to the conversation about a telephone company from 2000 - all it did was start a thread attacking a competing website. Doesn't this break the spirit of hackernews's rules on civility? The mentality I sometimes see on here that "we are smarter than them" doesn't make a better site. Do it, don't say it. Threads like this aren't "intelligent," they are mean-spirited and off-topic. Sorry, but the comparisons to reddit have been bugging me. I really want to be a member of this site, party because I think its foundation of intelligent and civil conversation is a great idea. But I see way too many comments that wouldn't even be kosher on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/7necx/heres_a_thought_stop_talking_about_digg_we_arent/ http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/7necx/heres_a_th...

What this guys said: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7vvti/what_on_gods_green_earth_gets_a_fucking_pl7/c07k8f9 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7vvti/what_on_g...

jrockway 18y ago

Yeah. I refuse to comment on Reddit, though, so I rehashed it over here.

pavel_lishin 18y ago
Why the strong refusal?
- jrockway 18y ago
  I really want to have intelligent discussions, but everyone over there just posts stupid personal attacks when they disagree with you. If I'm going to spend the effort composing a post, I want people to read an think about it, not just make a snide attack. (FWIW, I am guilty of making TONS of snide personal attacks on Reddit. The community rewards it.) The thread that made me quit Reddit for good is this one: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7uvkz/to_stop_all_the_multiple_posts_why_not_add_a/c07htm2 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7uvkz/to_stop_a... My post is definitely on the sarcastic side, but it did take me some time to think about and compose. I just wanted to show that people aren't "idiots" for using an ORM. In return, I get a personal attack from someone who has probably never written a line of code in his life. This just doesn't happen on HN. There are people with ideas that I disagree with, but at least they have something more intelligent to say than "your dumb". So since I only have a finite amount of time, and I spend too much of it replying to social news sites, I figured I'd give up the stupid one for good. We will see how it goes. BTW, I don't think everything on HN is intelligent... but it is several orders of magnitude better than Reddit. (I wrote a bit about this last night, as well: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=473023 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=473023). Also, I'm sure I make stupid comments from time to time... but hey, nobody's perfect :)
  - eli 18y ago
    I don't think everything on HN is intelligent... but it is several orders of magnitude better than Reddit. I second that. In fact, I couldn't click that link because I set my HOSTS file to block reddit.com from my work computer. I was spending way too much time on that site having stupid arguments.
  - pavel_lishin 18y ago
    I think as HN gets bigger, it'll become more and more like reddit. You either have to learn to live with idiots (like me, I'll admit) or you gotta keep island-hopping.
    - jrockway 18y ago
      A secondary issue was the time investment. Now that I no longer care about trying to educate Reddit, I have time to ... not do that -- there is always something better to do than to converse with people that don't want to converse with you. If HN "goes to shit", you can bet that I will get fed up and leave. It doesn't bother me much -- the people that I like on HN will probably go to the same place. (Plus, HN does good things like completely deleting comments that are just going to attract flames. Censorship sucks, but if you want to talk without being deleted, get a blog. Hopefully HN's aggressiveness here will ensure that it remains the "island" to hop to for a few more years.)
  - rm999 18y ago
    That guy on reddit is a troll, and his comment was modded down. No free social site will ever be invulnerable to trolls, but they must be ignored. I post on both reddit and here, and I think your generalization that "everyone over there just posts stupid personal attacks when they disagree with you" is not constructive. Your original comment about how you refuse to comment on reddit added zero value to the conversation about a telephone company from 2000 - all it did was start a thread attacking a competing website. Doesn't this break the spirit of hackernews's rules on civility? The mentality I sometimes see on here that "we are smarter than them" doesn't make a better site. Do it, don't say it. Threads like this aren't "intelligent," they are mean-spirited and off-topic. Sorry, but the comparisons to reddit have been bugging me. I really want to be a member of this site, party because I think its foundation of intelligent and civil conversation is a great idea. But I see way too many comments that wouldn't even be kosher on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/7necx/heres_a_thought_stop_talking_about_digg_we_arent/ http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/7necx/heres_a_th...