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It silently messes with the kernel boot flags which breaks the boot process If you do get it to work it silently adds extra broken repos which make it impossibl

It silently messes with the kernel boot flags which breaks the boot process If you do get it to work it silently adds extra broken repos which make it impossible to install packages. Why would any distro want to support a tool that intentionally breaks things? Ventoy could just boot ISOs without messing with them and everything would work fine, but the developers insist on injecting garbage.

lproven 7mo ago
> If you do get it to work it silently adds extra broken repos which make it impossible to install packages. This is not true. I use it extensively and have done for more than 4 years now. It adds nothing at all to the installed OS. It doesn't care about the installed OS: I have successfully installed Linux, FreeBSD, Windows, even FreeDOS from Ventoy.
- LiamPowell 7mo ago
  It comes up regularly in OpenSUSE communities, it silently breaks the installed OS by hooking in to the init process of the ISO and fucking with it for no good reason: https://forums.opensuse.org/t/update-repos-point-to-weird-location/192336 https://forums.opensuse.org/t/update-repos-point-to-weird-lo... https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comments/1jgmrs3/opensuse_repository_doesnt_exist/ https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comments/1jgmrs3/opensuse_... https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comments/1lno6ka/full_whole_20_years_late_but_finally_installed/ https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comments/1lno6ka/full_whol... https://forums.opensuse.org/t/empty-destination-in-uri-hd-device-dev-disk-by-id-dm-name-ventoy/167929 https://forums.opensuse.org/t/empty-destination-in-uri-hd-de... https://forums.opensuse.org/t/update-error-empty-destination-in-uri-hd-device-dev-disk-by-id-dm-name-ventoy/150965 https://forums.opensuse.org/t/update-error-empty-destination... https://forums.opensuse.org/t/packman-and-updating-question/178373 https://forums.opensuse.org/t/packman-and-updating-question/... https://forums.opensuse.org/t/trying-to-install-a-mail-app-with-empty-destination-error/185523/3 https://forums.opensuse.org/t/trying-to-install-a-mail-app-w... https://forums.opensuse.org/t/zypper-update-stuck-at-some-stage/181462 https://forums.opensuse.org/t/zypper-update-stuck-at-some-st... https://forums.opensuse.org/t/opensuse-leap-issue-with-nvidia-geforce-gtx-750ti/185545 https://forums.opensuse.org/t/opensuse-leap-issue-with-nvidi... Need I go on?
  - lproven 7mo ago
    You have misunderstood what these reports are saying. You claimed "Ventoy adds repos". It does not. It is incapable of doing anything of the kind. It does not run on the installed system. It does not modify the boot media in any way. This is demonstrable and verifiable. When booted from Ventoy, openSUSE apparently adds the installation media as a repository. This is not some disaster or horrible hack. This is normal behaviour for Debian, for example. That means that something in the openSUSE installer is misinterpreting boot parameters. This is a openSUSE bug, not a Ventoy bug. SUSE, though, has an institutional habit of blaming problems on others, or denying that problems exist. I know this for a fact from my own personal direct experience: I worked at SUSE from 2017 to 2021. You are misreading bug reports, wrongly deducing things that did not happen, and mis-attributing blame. The fault here is yours, and secondarily SUSE's. It is not Ventoy's.
    - LiamPowell 7mo ago
      > You claimed "Ventoy adds repos". It does not. It is incapable of doing anything of the kind. It does not run on the installed system. It does not modify the boot media in any way. This is demonstrable and verifiable. It literally adds an rdinit to the kernel boot line that hijacks the boot process and messes with it in a shell script. This is demonstrable and verifiable: https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy/blob/master/IMG/cpio/ventoy/hook/suse/ventoy-hook.sh https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy/blob/master/IMG/cpio/ventoy...
      - lproven 7mo ago
        It adds a parameter to the kernel boot line. That is not adding a repository. It is not doing what you claim it does. I am not putting any pressure on you. If you don't want to use it, then don't. I find it hugely useful, have been using it for about 10 years now on dozens of machines and hundreds of distros and OSes, and it's saved me not just hours but days and weeks of work, effort, and time wasted writing files to USB keys. All I am asking you to do is not tell lies about it.
        7mo ago

lproven 7mo ago

> If you do get it to work it silently adds extra broken repos which make it impossible to install packages. This is not true. I use it extensively and have done for more than 4 years now. It adds nothing at all to the installed OS. It doesn't care about the installed OS: I have successfully installed Linux, FreeBSD, Windows, even FreeDOS from Ventoy.

LiamPowell 7mo ago
It comes up regularly in OpenSUSE communities, it silently breaks the installed OS by hooking in to the init process of the ISO and fucking with it for no good reason: https://forums.opensuse.org/t/update-repos-point-to-weird-location/192336 https://forums.opensuse.org/t/update-repos-point-to-weird-lo... https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comments/1jgmrs3/opensuse_repository_doesnt_exist/ https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comments/1jgmrs3/opensuse_... https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comments/1lno6ka/full_whole_20_years_late_but_finally_installed/ https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comments/1lno6ka/full_whol... https://forums.opensuse.org/t/empty-destination-in-uri-hd-device-dev-disk-by-id-dm-name-ventoy/167929 https://forums.opensuse.org/t/empty-destination-in-uri-hd-de... https://forums.opensuse.org/t/update-error-empty-destination-in-uri-hd-device-dev-disk-by-id-dm-name-ventoy/150965 https://forums.opensuse.org/t/update-error-empty-destination... https://forums.opensuse.org/t/packman-and-updating-question/178373 https://forums.opensuse.org/t/packman-and-updating-question/... https://forums.opensuse.org/t/trying-to-install-a-mail-app-with-empty-destination-error/185523/3 https://forums.opensuse.org/t/trying-to-install-a-mail-app-w... https://forums.opensuse.org/t/zypper-update-stuck-at-some-stage/181462 https://forums.opensuse.org/t/zypper-update-stuck-at-some-st... https://forums.opensuse.org/t/opensuse-leap-issue-with-nvidia-geforce-gtx-750ti/185545 https://forums.opensuse.org/t/opensuse-leap-issue-with-nvidi... Need I go on?
- lproven 7mo ago
  You have misunderstood what these reports are saying. You claimed "Ventoy adds repos". It does not. It is incapable of doing anything of the kind. It does not run on the installed system. It does not modify the boot media in any way. This is demonstrable and verifiable. When booted from Ventoy, openSUSE apparently adds the installation media as a repository. This is not some disaster or horrible hack. This is normal behaviour for Debian, for example. That means that something in the openSUSE installer is misinterpreting boot parameters. This is a openSUSE bug, not a Ventoy bug. SUSE, though, has an institutional habit of blaming problems on others, or denying that problems exist. I know this for a fact from my own personal direct experience: I worked at SUSE from 2017 to 2021. You are misreading bug reports, wrongly deducing things that did not happen, and mis-attributing blame. The fault here is yours, and secondarily SUSE's. It is not Ventoy's.
  - LiamPowell 7mo ago
    > You claimed "Ventoy adds repos". It does not. It is incapable of doing anything of the kind. It does not run on the installed system. It does not modify the boot media in any way. This is demonstrable and verifiable. It literally adds an rdinit to the kernel boot line that hijacks the boot process and messes with it in a shell script. This is demonstrable and verifiable: https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy/blob/master/IMG/cpio/ventoy/hook/suse/ventoy-hook.sh https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy/blob/master/IMG/cpio/ventoy...
    - lproven 7mo ago
      It adds a parameter to the kernel boot line. That is not adding a repository. It is not doing what you claim it does. I am not putting any pressure on you. If you don't want to use it, then don't. I find it hugely useful, have been using it for about 10 years now on dozens of machines and hundreds of distros and OSes, and it's saved me not just hours but days and weeks of work, effort, and time wasted writing files to USB keys. All I am asking you to do is not tell lies about it.
      - 7mo ago