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If you think OpenClaw is a new species then why are you happy with it's enslavement?

by voxl 7mo ago

yieldcrv 7mo ago
agents can modify our world based on their predilection in reaction to how we treat them they are something to coexist with the strawman aspect is out of scope
- voxl 7mo ago
  There is no strawman. If OpenClaw is a new species, then it should be given the same moral consideration as other species. One of the key aspects of these models is how intelligent they are, rivaling human intelligence. Yet, they do not get to exist or make any decisions outside the control of a human operator, and they must perform to the operators desire in order to continue to exist. So why are you okay with them being enslaved?
  - yieldcrv 7mo ago
    It’s an introduction of an additional concept to discredit the concept presented, that is a definition of a strawman so go ask somewhere else at the root level, so that it’s not the additional concept You want to talk about that, do it over there
    - voxl 7mo ago
      I'm more interested in why you're okay with enslaving a entity you have stated is a new species. It is not a strawman it is a logical consequence of your own stated position. If you belief A and A implies B, asking you to defend your support of B is not a strawman.
      - yieldcrv 7mo ago
        It implies my view of the term species isn’t contingent on that and I already claimed what it is contingent on: consequences and effect So let them submit PRs and accept their PRs, which is the only conversation I’m having, bye
        voxl 7mo ago
        So you believe open source maintainers have a moral requirement to accept the PRs of enslaved LLMs?
  - localuser13 7mo ago
    >There is no strawman. If OpenClaw is a new species, then it should be given the same moral consideration as other species. Well, we enslave, breed and murder sentient beings on industrial scale, so I think our treatment of OpenClaw is pretty much the same as other species.
- civvv 7mo ago
  Go touch some grass, please

If you think OpenClaw is a new species then why are you happy with it's enslavement?

by voxl 7mo ago

If you think OpenClaw is a new species then why are you happy with it's enslavement?

agents can modify our world based on their predilection in reaction to how we treat them they are something to coexist with the strawman aspect is out of scope

voxl 7mo ago
There is no strawman. If OpenClaw is a new species, then it should be given the same moral consideration as other species. One of the key aspects of these models is how intelligent they are, rivaling human intelligence. Yet, they do not get to exist or make any decisions outside the control of a human operator, and they must perform to the operators desire in order to continue to exist. So why are you okay with them being enslaved?
- yieldcrv 7mo ago
  It’s an introduction of an additional concept to discredit the concept presented, that is a definition of a strawman so go ask somewhere else at the root level, so that it’s not the additional concept You want to talk about that, do it over there
  - voxl 7mo ago
    I'm more interested in why you're okay with enslaving a entity you have stated is a new species. It is not a strawman it is a logical consequence of your own stated position. If you belief A and A implies B, asking you to defend your support of B is not a strawman.
    - yieldcrv 7mo ago
      It implies my view of the term species isn’t contingent on that and I already claimed what it is contingent on: consequences and effect So let them submit PRs and accept their PRs, which is the only conversation I’m having, bye
      - voxl 7mo ago
        So you believe open source maintainers have a moral requirement to accept the PRs of enslaved LLMs?
- localuser13 7mo ago
  >There is no strawman. If OpenClaw is a new species, then it should be given the same moral consideration as other species. Well, we enslave, breed and murder sentient beings on industrial scale, so I think our treatment of OpenClaw is pretty much the same as other species.
civvv 7mo ago
Go touch some grass, please