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I get all of these hypotheticals, but, again, we know that it's not true. The government routinely collects and shares information that it shouldn't. We can't t
by ibejoeb 7mo ago
I get all of these hypotheticals, but, again, we know that it's not true. The government routinely collects and shares information that it shouldn't. We can't talk about it like it doesn't because it was designed not to. We have to contend with reality.
- vrganj 7mo agoBut we also know that Meta routinely collects and shares information that it shouldn't. At least the government shouldn't on a theoretical level?
- ibejoeb 7mo agoI don't understand the fascination with pretending. System A is bad. System B is worse. System B theoretically shouldn't exist yet it does and there's nothing you can do about it, so now you're advocating for B. What's the rationale?
- vrganj 7mo agoSystems A and B are equally bad in practice. System A is that way by design . System B is that way despite the intended design.
- ibejoeb 7mo agoThey're not equally bad. You can disagree, but you'll have to convince me by argument. I've already laid out mine.
- jedberg 7mo agoI think we already laid out our argument too. A private company can do whatever they want with your data. They can sell it, exploit it, and block you from accessing it. The government can do none of those things. They can't deplatform you. They can't exploit your data or sell it. They can't block you from it. At least by design. By design, having the government responsible for verifying your identity is far superior than having private companies do it, because by design they have to be truthful and forthcoming. The flaw is that the system is failing and so right now the private system and government system are equally bad.
- ibejoeb 7mo agoI agree with everything you said when considering your caveat that the government needs to act lawfully and in good faith. I also appreciate that you have probably dealt directly with similar matters. Since the government has demonstrated that it won't comply, though, I am unwilling to go in that direction, and I guess in that way we see it differently.
- vrganj 7mo agoWe might just not have the same government. I'm not American and to me this isn't a failure of government as a concept, but your government as an implementation, if that makes sense.
- ibejoeb 7mo agoWe're talking about an American bill. I'm glad your government is abiding by its laws, though.