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> That requires a high level of trust in your current government and whomever is in charge in the future. Some entity has to be trusted with our data anyway, a

by mapcars 7mo ago

> That requires a high level of trust in your current government and whomever is in charge in the future. Some entity has to be trusted with our data anyway, at least government supposed to have some accountability before the citizens, corporations have much higher incentives for profit.

ori_b 7mo ago
> Some entity has to be trusted with our data anyway Why?
- colejohnson66 7mo ago
  Because the government needs to know who you are to do anything involving you. Taxes, drivers' licenses, passports, courts, etc.
  - ori_b 7mo ago
    Yes, I think one ID, presented only as necessary for those interactions, is enough for them to do their job. It would be good to clamp down on private companies collecting that data.
  - _heimdall 7mo ago
    There are still a lot of underlying assumptions here worth noting though. You're assuming we must have a government and what it must be able to do, like charge me taxes or gatekeep certain activities behind licensing systems. I'm not arguing we don't need a government. But to silently take for granted that everything from income taxes to public roads and travel restrictions are a given jumps ahead here. We could decide, for example, that the government shouldn't be allowed to centralize certain data and remove some of what we expect them to do instead.
    - mapcars 7mo ago
      > We could decide, for example, that the government shouldn't be allowed to centralize certain data and remove some of what we expect them to do instead. How exactly government manages our data is a valid concern and in the modern world this needs to be reevaluated.
gzread 7mo ago
Does it? We can live without anyone knowing our age except the entities we tell it to. Is it actually a crime to upload a fake ID photo to a private company for age verification?
_heimdall 7mo ago
Why is it a given that we need to trust an entity with our data? Most of human history got by without data collection, centralized or otherwise, there's no innate law of nature requiring it It doesn't require only trusting the government (or another corporation) today, it requires trusting all future iterations of them as well. It may be a different story if the data was periodically purged, say after each administration for example.

by mapcars 7mo ago

ori_b 7mo ago

> Some entity has to be trusted with our data anyway Why?

colejohnson66 7mo ago
Because the government needs to know who you are to do anything involving you. Taxes, drivers' licenses, passports, courts, etc.
- ori_b 7mo ago
  Yes, I think one ID, presented only as necessary for those interactions, is enough for them to do their job. It would be good to clamp down on private companies collecting that data.
- _heimdall 7mo ago
  There are still a lot of underlying assumptions here worth noting though. You're assuming we must have a government and what it must be able to do, like charge me taxes or gatekeep certain activities behind licensing systems. I'm not arguing we don't need a government. But to silently take for granted that everything from income taxes to public roads and travel restrictions are a given jumps ahead here. We could decide, for example, that the government shouldn't be allowed to centralize certain data and remove some of what we expect them to do instead.
  - mapcars 7mo ago
    > We could decide, for example, that the government shouldn't be allowed to centralize certain data and remove some of what we expect them to do instead. How exactly government manages our data is a valid concern and in the modern world this needs to be reevaluated.

gzread 7mo ago

Does it? We can live without anyone knowing our age except the entities we tell it to. Is it actually a crime to upload a fake ID photo to a private company for age verification?

_heimdall 7mo ago

Why is it a given that we need to trust an entity with our data? Most of human history got by without data collection, centralized or otherwise, there's no innate law of nature requiring it It doesn't require only trusting the government (or another corporation) today, it requires trusting all future iterations of them as well. It may be a different story if the data was periodically purged, say after each administration for example.