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You can smell the desperation from here. Have to wonder if any of these fresh graduates are wondering about what long-term damage they may be doing to their pr

You can smell the desperation from here. Have to wonder if any of these fresh graduates are wondering about what long-term damage they may be doing to their professional reputation. How hirable will you be if the first few years of your law career you were were laughed out of every Court because you were trying to defend a historically unpopular administration?

polski-g 7mo ago
I think the administration is 21 and 2 in the only court that matters.
- CryptoBanker 7mo ago
  These kids won't be arguing before the Supreme Court though. They'll be taking the losses at the lower levels
  - alephnerd 7mo ago
    Not really - most USAO cases are settled. Also, most of the vacancies are for federal prosecutor roles.
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alephnerd 7mo ago
> Have to wonder if any of these fresh graduates are wondering about what long-term damage they may be doing to their professional reputation. The legal market is brutal and KJDs need to pay off their undergrad, law school, and maybe even grad school debt. The average and median salary of a Harvard Law graduate is $167K and $225K respectively [0], but your JD cost of attendance would be around $400K [1] and your bachelors degree would have been around $200K. For those who did grad school (and a large portion did) you can throw in an additional $150-200K. If you are looking at a $600K-800K in overall debt, you would rationally take any job that you can - especially one with amazing exit opps like the USAO (more on that below). And this is HYS, where employment statistics are some of the best. And it's not as if conservative minded legal students are rare [2] - 49.91% of Americans voters voted for Trump in 2024 versus 48.43% for Harris [3]. > How hirable will you be if the first few years of your law career you were were laughed out of every Court because you were trying to defend a historically unpopular administration Becoming an AUSA is a very prestigious government job. You become a federal employee of the DoJ, with somewhat easier hours than working BigLaw and an easier pathway to federal judgeships and political office. Additonally, depending on your location lobbying firms, BigLaw, and even media would pay top dollar for AUSAs due to their relationships - sometimes making them partner right away. Kash Patel, Loretta Lynch, Rudy Giuliani, Eric Holder, Alejandro Mayorkas, Dan Goldman, James Comey, and others in both parties were former AUSAs. People would spend entire careers trying to become an AUSA and at least at Harvard we had a mini-guide [4] on how to target a role at the USAO that both undergrads targeting law school and JDs used to refer to. [0] - https://hls.harvard.edu/career-planning/recent-employment-data/ https://hls.harvard.edu/career-planning/recent-employment-da... [1] - https://hls.harvard.edu/sfs/financial-aid/financial-aid-policy/cost-of-attendance/ https://hls.harvard.edu/sfs/financial-aid/financial-aid-poli... [2] - https://fedsoc.org/ https://fedsoc.org/ [3] - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-president.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/... [4] - https://hls.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/fast-track-final.pdf https://hls.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/fast-trac...
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
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- FireBeyond 7mo ago
  > Kash Patel, ... and others in both parties were former AUSAs. Apropos of anything else, Patel has never been an AUSA. He was a public defender at the state and federal levels in Florida.
  - alephnerd 7mo ago
    Doh you're right - his stint as a prosecutor was at the NSD not a USAO.

polski-g 7mo ago

I think the administration is 21 and 2 in the only court that matters.

CryptoBanker 7mo ago
These kids won't be arguing before the Supreme Court though. They'll be taking the losses at the lower levels
- alephnerd 7mo ago
  Not really - most USAO cases are settled. Also, most of the vacancies are for federal prosecutor roles.
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alephnerd 7mo ago

> Have to wonder if any of these fresh graduates are wondering about what long-term damage they may be doing to their professional reputation. The legal market is brutal and KJDs need to pay off their undergrad, law school, and maybe even grad school debt. The average and median salary of a Harvard Law graduate is $167K and $225K respectively [0], but your JD cost of attendance would be around $400K [1] and your bachelors degree would have been around $200K. For those who did grad school (and a large portion did) you can throw in an additional $150-200K. If you are looking at a $600K-800K in overall debt, you would rationally take any job that you can - especially one with amazing exit opps like the USAO (more on that below). And this is HYS, where employment statistics are some of the best. And it's not as if conservative minded legal students are rare [2] - 49.91% of Americans voters voted for Trump in 2024 versus 48.43% for Harris [3]. > How hirable will you be if the first few years of your law career you were were laughed out of every Court because you were trying to defend a historically unpopular administration Becoming an AUSA is a very prestigious government job. You become a federal employee of the DoJ, with somewhat easier hours than working BigLaw and an easier pathway to federal judgeships and political office. Additonally, depending on your location lobbying firms, BigLaw, and even media would pay top dollar for AUSAs due to their relationships - sometimes making them partner right away. Kash Patel, Loretta Lynch, Rudy Giuliani, Eric Holder, Alejandro Mayorkas, Dan Goldman, James Comey, and others in both parties were former AUSAs. People would spend entire careers trying to become an AUSA and at least at Harvard we had a mini-guide [4] on how to target a role at the USAO that both undergrads targeting law school and JDs used to refer to. [0] - https://hls.harvard.edu/career-planning/recent-employment-data/ https://hls.harvard.edu/career-planning/recent-employment-da... [1] - https://hls.harvard.edu/sfs/financial-aid/financial-aid-policy/cost-of-attendance/ https://hls.harvard.edu/sfs/financial-aid/financial-aid-poli... [2] - https://fedsoc.org/ https://fedsoc.org/ [3] - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-president.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/... [4] - https://hls.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/fast-track-final.pdf https://hls.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/fast-trac...

JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
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FireBeyond 7mo ago
> Kash Patel, ... and others in both parties were former AUSAs. Apropos of anything else, Patel has never been an AUSA. He was a public defender at the state and federal levels in Florida.
- alephnerd 7mo ago
  Doh you're right - his stint as a prosecutor was at the NSD not a USAO.