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I think these conspiracy theories about RTO are really unhelpful and actually harmful to the viability of hybrid work arrangements. Please work in a day as a o
by matchbok3 7mo ago
I think these conspiracy theories about RTO are really unhelpful and actually harmful to the viability of hybrid work arrangements.
Please work in a day as a oil rig technician or a nurse. "I should be able to work anywhere and my employer must accommodate me" is an extremely privileged and elitist view of thinking.
A few of your notes are actually just wrong as well. Salaries jumped during covid due to over-hiring and software booming. "Productivity" is not a number, but a business-by-business decision. The vast, vast majority of people don't want politics at work, and it's exclusively the viewpoint of the laptop class who demand that stuff. (Again, people who work toiling jobs for 10 hours a day don't create petitions and demands like that)
At the end of the day, if you don't want to work in an office, you don't have to. But, believe it or not, many many people, including young people, like the office environment.
- asdff 7mo agoDo you understand how rig work or nursing is? These are very flexible jobs. There is demand for nursing everywhere. You can be a travel nurse and go find work in HI or CA or Las Vegas right now if you want. Temp agencies that place you so you don't even need to really hunt either. Rig work it is weeks on weeks off sort of deal where you then get off that rig back to, quite literally, anywhere in the world where you live otherwise. You could live in the middle of the Amazon rainforest and make six figures a year on a rig in the middle of the ocean (well, maybe US jurisdiction is preferred from a tax perspective for employer payroll).
- matchbok3 7mo agoI'm not sure I understand the point. The vast, vast majority of jobs simply cannot be done remotely. So I have little patience for the entitlement of people thinking they "deserve" it or yell about conspiracy theories about why it is going away. There is a reason YC is in person. There is a reason why the top companies are in person.
- asdff 7mo agoWhat say you to the fact that there are companies that work remote today and are competitive and doing fine? Anomalous? Or maybe your prior assumptions need adjustment?
- ahtihn 7mo agoI'd say they are outliers. They have been setup like that from the start and have a management structure that is fully on board with remote work from top to bottom. Most companies aren't setup like that and don't have the people to make it work.
- asdff 7mo agoWhy can't they be? Chances are in 1989, most companies weren't set up to work well with computers either. 5 years later everyone had a desktop an email account.
- matchbok3 7mo agoYes, they are outliers. Or they are coasting. Again (and again). There is a reason why YC and the top, most innovative companies are in person.
- asdff 7mo agoA whole lot of outliers then. Top companies are in person? I only know a few people in FAANG but they all work remote. Maybe different for certain tasks like on site hpc work. They are in software engineering though. YC in person doesn't mean anything to me. These bay area types often have a screw loose and do things like have people live on site maybe even in tents during sprints. Megalomaniac behavior, not a lesson to follow.
- matchbok3 7mo agoAgain. If you think you can do your job remotely 100%, then there is no reason why someone in South America can do your job for 20% of your salary. Think about it.
- imcrs 7mo agoWhat's actually really unhelpful and actually harmful to the viability of hybrid work arrangements is RTO. > "I should be able to work anywhere and my employer must accommodate me" is an extremely privileged and elitist view of thinking. Nope! You totally missed the point. "You must accomodate me" is a demand, that you can place on your employer, when you have labor power, as an employee. The acceding is what we're talking about here. That is not cultural; it is a matter of market power. > At the end of the day, if you don't want to work in an office, you don't have to. What are you talking about? Did you read my post? Yes, I have to! Because of RTO!
- matchbok3 7mo agoYou do, in fact, have the agency to get another job. So no, you are not "forced" to RTO at all.
- NeutralCrane 7mo ago“Someone has it worse than you” is always a stupid argument.
- matchbok3 7mo agoSolid contribution champ.
- NeutralCrane 7mo agoPoor in the US and around the world often don’t have access to the healthcare they need. If you get cancer, are you turning down chemotherapy so you don’t seem soft? Are you turning down your next raise because some teacher somewhere is getting underpaid? If you want substantive rebuttals you should make a substantive argument first.
- Esophagus4 7mo agoYes, these are some extreme beliefs in a grand, coordinated conspiracy. As if a bunch of people in suits are sitting around a table in an evil villain’s lair shouting “we need more control over our workers” or needing to prop up commercial real estate prices.
- 000ooo000 7mo ago>Please work in a day as a oil rig technician or a nurse. "I should be able to work anywhere and my employer must accommodate me" is an extremely privileged and elitist view of thinking. To highlight just how stupid this is, here it is from another angle: "I have to work on site so everyone else must work on site" What is the logical conclusion here? That the workforce should be equal in every sense? Come on
- matchbok3 7mo agoThis point is directly aimed at those who view the RTO efforts as a class issue (owners vs workers). There is an entitled POV in many WFH debates.