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The healthcare industry in the US in made up a huge range of individual and organizations, they don’t all have the same motives. Suggesting otherwise is projec

by Retric 7mo ago

The healthcare industry in the US in made up a huge range of individual and organizations, they don’t all have the same motives. Suggesting otherwise is projecting your own fears not representative of reality.

cucumber3732842 7mo ago
>they don’t all have the same motives Regardless of their motives they're all subject to the same regulatory system so they can only stray so far for so long from the net effect of the incentives and remain not bankrupt and being auctioned to pay back creditors.
- pixl97 7mo ago
  >they're all subject to the same regulatory system I mean different countries have different regulatory systems....
tinfoilhatter 7mo ago
Then feel free to point out the outliers that aren't interested in maximizing profits. https://www.somo.nl/big-pharma-raked-in-usd-90-billion-in-profits-with-covid-19-vaccines/ https://www.somo.nl/big-pharma-raked-in-usd-90-billion-in-pr... It seems to me that the leading vaccine manufacturers, who spend billions of dollars yearly in order to lobby US lawmakers that establish the bureaucracy the article is complaining about, are interested in just that (maximizing profits). It doesn't really matter much if there are individuals or other organizations interested in curing disease, when we have a system that allows for legal bribery of lawmakers, and other individuals / organizations with more money that value profits over anything else.
- Retric 7mo ago
  A large portion of the US healthcare is through nonprofits who are more interested in continuing to exist than in maximizing profits. Vaccine companies are very interested in preventing disease not the kind of extended treatment people so often expect the healthcare industry to be looking for. They have an endless stream of new people being born every year so have no interest in people getting sick.
  - tinfoilhatter 7mo ago
    If people aren't getting sick, they have no revenue stream. Those non-profits you mentioned obviously aren't as capable of lobbying congress to influence industry regulation / bureaucracy as for-profit organizations are.
    - Retric 7mo ago
      Nonprofits constantly lobby congress for a huge range of reasons, but they also get results with a surprising amount of federal money going directly to such organizations independent of Medicare, Medicaid, etc. > If people aren't getting sick People also get sick outside the US. People still get vaccinated in the US for diseases with effectively zero new US cases because they haven’t been eradicated worldwide and would come back as soon as we stop vaccinating people.
c0d3rPrimate 7mo ago
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h2zizzle 7mo ago
Doesn't matter. Not all have the same level of influence. The ones with the most clearly follow GP's characterization.

by Retric 7mo ago

cucumber3732842 7mo ago

>they don’t all have the same motives Regardless of their motives they're all subject to the same regulatory system so they can only stray so far for so long from the net effect of the incentives and remain not bankrupt and being auctioned to pay back creditors.

pixl97 7mo ago
>they're all subject to the same regulatory system I mean different countries have different regulatory systems....

tinfoilhatter 7mo ago

Then feel free to point out the outliers that aren't interested in maximizing profits. https://www.somo.nl/big-pharma-raked-in-usd-90-billion-in-profits-with-covid-19-vaccines/ https://www.somo.nl/big-pharma-raked-in-usd-90-billion-in-pr... It seems to me that the leading vaccine manufacturers, who spend billions of dollars yearly in order to lobby US lawmakers that establish the bureaucracy the article is complaining about, are interested in just that (maximizing profits). It doesn't really matter much if there are individuals or other organizations interested in curing disease, when we have a system that allows for legal bribery of lawmakers, and other individuals / organizations with more money that value profits over anything else.

Retric 7mo ago
A large portion of the US healthcare is through nonprofits who are more interested in continuing to exist than in maximizing profits. Vaccine companies are very interested in preventing disease not the kind of extended treatment people so often expect the healthcare industry to be looking for. They have an endless stream of new people being born every year so have no interest in people getting sick.
- tinfoilhatter 7mo ago
  If people aren't getting sick, they have no revenue stream. Those non-profits you mentioned obviously aren't as capable of lobbying congress to influence industry regulation / bureaucracy as for-profit organizations are.
  - Retric 7mo ago
    Nonprofits constantly lobby congress for a huge range of reasons, but they also get results with a surprising amount of federal money going directly to such organizations independent of Medicare, Medicaid, etc. > If people aren't getting sick People also get sick outside the US. People still get vaccinated in the US for diseases with effectively zero new US cases because they haven’t been eradicated worldwide and would come back as soon as we stop vaccinating people.

c0d3rPrimate 7mo ago

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h2zizzle 7mo ago

Doesn't matter. Not all have the same level of influence. The ones with the most clearly follow GP's characterization.