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ZFS on FreeBSD is first class. I had an old FreeNAS raid z5 array on 5x 500GB disks that I wanted to check 4 years after decommissioning the system. I put toget

ZFS on FreeBSD is first class. I had an old FreeNAS raid z5 array on 5x 500GB disks that I wanted to check 4 years after decommissioning the system. I put together a temporary machine with all the disks plugged in and without doing anything the live FreeBSD image found and configured the array. I was instantly able to look through the file system and even dump it to my current FreeBSD server with almost 0 effort. I was sold after that. These days I prefer to run small systems and basic services. I don't want webguis or docker images anymore.

adiabatichottub 7mo ago
Right. On my development workstation I use Arch and I'm always worried a kernel upgrade is going to break the ZFS module. For those that aren't familiar, ZFS isn't part of mainline Linux because of licensing incompatibility (and general distrust of Oracle). On FreeBSD I know its always going to work.
- grahamjperrin 7mo ago
  > … For those that aren't familiar, ZFS isn't part of mainline Linux because of licensing incompatibility (and general distrust of Oracle). … It's probably fair to say that trust in Oracle is irrelevant to OpenZFS. Where Linux does use ZFS: to the best of my knowledge, it's typically OpenZFS – https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47407937 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47407937 is my own use case.
  - adiabatichottub 7mo ago
    I was mainly referring to statements made by Linus Torvalds that got a lot of press. Canonical seems undeterred by any such arguments.
- akimbostrawman 7mo ago
  >I use Arch and I'm always worried a kernel upgrade is going to break the ZFS modulet That can only happen if you use the unreliable DKMS way of installing it. If you use zfs-linux provided by archzfs it will only allow updating if it's compatible with the kernel, which in linux-lts case is within couple hours of a kernel update. https://github.com/archzfs/archzfs https://github.com/archzfs/archzfs https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ZFS#Kernel-specific_packages https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ZFS#Kernel-specific_package...
znpy 7mo ago
Just so you know: the zfs in freebsd and in linux are the same codebase. Literally. It’s OpenZFS. Also, a few years ago the FreeBSD people decided to throw away their own ZFS implementation and import the linux one (OpenZFS) because they couldn’t keep up with the development pace. Nowadays ZFS development is collaborative but in each major freebsd release it’s clearly marked which OpenZFS releases they imported in the FreeBSD codebase.

adiabatichottub 7mo ago

Right. On my development workstation I use Arch and I'm always worried a kernel upgrade is going to break the ZFS module. For those that aren't familiar, ZFS isn't part of mainline Linux because of licensing incompatibility (and general distrust of Oracle). On FreeBSD I know its always going to work.

grahamjperrin 7mo ago
> … For those that aren't familiar, ZFS isn't part of mainline Linux because of licensing incompatibility (and general distrust of Oracle). … It's probably fair to say that trust in Oracle is irrelevant to OpenZFS. Where Linux does use ZFS: to the best of my knowledge, it's typically OpenZFS – https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47407937 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47407937 is my own use case.
- adiabatichottub 7mo ago
  I was mainly referring to statements made by Linus Torvalds that got a lot of press. Canonical seems undeterred by any such arguments.
akimbostrawman 7mo ago
>I use Arch and I'm always worried a kernel upgrade is going to break the ZFS modulet That can only happen if you use the unreliable DKMS way of installing it. If you use zfs-linux provided by archzfs it will only allow updating if it's compatible with the kernel, which in linux-lts case is within couple hours of a kernel update. https://github.com/archzfs/archzfs https://github.com/archzfs/archzfs https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ZFS#Kernel-specific_packages https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ZFS#Kernel-specific_package...

znpy 7mo ago

Just so you know: the zfs in freebsd and in linux are the same codebase. Literally. It’s OpenZFS. Also, a few years ago the FreeBSD people decided to throw away their own ZFS implementation and import the linux one (OpenZFS) because they couldn’t keep up with the development pace. Nowadays ZFS development is collaborative but in each major freebsd release it’s clearly marked which OpenZFS releases they imported in the FreeBSD codebase.