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I’m surprised no one has mentioned that there was no safe course of action for the journalist because there was money on both sides of this outcome. No matter

I’m surprised no one has mentioned that there was no safe course of action for the journalist because there was money on both sides of this outcome. No matter what he reported, he would have the other side threatening him.

ntonozzi 7mo ago
Perhaps because he is a journalist whose job is to report reality, not avoid threats?
- bigyabai 7mo ago
  Avoiding threats is non-optional for most Israeli journalists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_the_Gaza_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Military_Censor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Military_Censor
  - yonixw 7mo ago
    The reason no one responds to this list is because it's just one big gish gallop It's enough to see that you brought a link to the Israeli Military Censor to hint at a conspiracy, to understand who you're dealing with. But even if you go into the list, you'll see at the top that those who were shot were in the middle of the battle, where Israeli forces were surprised, to the point of massacre alongside civilians. And there, it turns out, they didn't shoot to save themselves by the skin of their teeth, but simply wanted to kill journalists. Also, a quick search shows that "Mohammad Jarghoun" ("מוחמד ג'רגון") was not a journalist at all, but a media worker, that according to the CPJ [1], during wartime he receives journalistic status. (Also not mentioned in AJ [2]. what a surprise...) Another comment to the pantheon of "the most logical failures, in the fewest words". And then no one understands why the ICC will never consider such reports.. [1]: https://www.the7eye.org.il/501320 https://www.the7eye.org.il/501320 [2]: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/10/at-least-six-palestinian-journalists-killed-in-israeli-strikes-on-gaza https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/10/at-least-six-pales...
    - bigyabai 7mo ago
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      - yonixw 7mo ago
        Another "banger" comment that shows you did not read your sources links, here is one from the the wiki (Israeli Military Censor): https://www.academia.edu/10481823/The_Israeli_paradox_The_military_censorship_as_a_protector_of_the_freedom_of_the_press https://www.academia.edu/10481823/The_Israeli_paradox_The_mi... Maybe your third comment will finally succeed...
        bigyabai 7mo ago
        Both researchers in that paper are Israeli residents. Do you have an independent report that corroborates their findings?
        yonixw 7mo ago
        The wiki sources FROM YOUR LINKS, are suddenly not enough once they are against you? Now now... one may mistakenly think you have some inconsistencies in your theory... and you out to revisit them first before demanding more..
        bigyabai 7mo ago
        The link corroborates my claim; the State of Israel does not protect press freedom. I am asking you to cite a better counterarguement, if you want to disprove it. Or concede that Israeli journalists are regularly threatened by their government.
    - b345 7mo ago
      How does one say that a media worker is fair game, but a journalist is not? Both are classified as civilians under international law [1]. There are several airstrikes as the method of execution of these journalists as well. Good job cherry-picking the "favourable" examples. Also, I don't know what you're on about, but ICC is clearyly investigating Israeli war crimes of targeted journalist executions [3]. [1]: https://cpj.org/2023/10/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/ https://cpj.org/2023/10/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-... [2]: https://cpj.org/data-methodology/ https://cpj.org/data-methodology/ [3]: https://ifex.org/iccs-israel-palestine-investigation-will-include-crimes-against-journalists/#:~:text=In%20its%20statement%2C%20the%20ICC,are%20of%20crucial%20importance%20in https://ifex.org/iccs-israel-palestine-investigation-will-in...
- abracadaniel 7mo ago
  Until they start trying the carrot instead of the stick. Then it becomes a bidding war to determine the "reality"
  - asdff 7mo ago
    Always is. 'Reality' is a subjective accounting.
  - zadikian 7mo ago
    They can also just do that bidding war in the resolution contract
- munificent 7mo ago
  I feel like being a journalist in a warzone is already exposure to a sufficient number of threats for the benefit of human society that we shouldn't simply accept them being exposed to any entirely different set of completely unnecessary threats from a pile of sociopaths running their own sick gambling dead pools.
heisenbit 7mo ago
> No matter what he reported, he would have the other side threatening him. That is why modern reportings best practice is to always support both sides. /s
strathmeyer 7mo ago
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hattmall 7mo ago
Defer to an actual authority. Where is the official report on whether or not it was an interception? Even with a large explosion the fact that it landed in a wooded area implies it was intercepted. Those are targeted missiles, an acceptable result of an interception is to bring it down in an undeveloped area. So I would think there should be some sort of authority with official capacity to state what happened, not just a random journalist that doesn't give concrete sources.
- Pay08 7mo ago
  Iranians primarily use rockets, not missiles. It's perfectly possible, even likely, that said rocket just missed. If you read the article, the journalist did actually say he had a military source...

ntonozzi 7mo ago

Perhaps because he is a journalist whose job is to report reality, not avoid threats?

bigyabai 7mo ago
Avoiding threats is non-optional for most Israeli journalists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_the_Gaza_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Military_Censor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Military_Censor
- yonixw 7mo ago
  The reason no one responds to this list is because it's just one big gish gallop It's enough to see that you brought a link to the Israeli Military Censor to hint at a conspiracy, to understand who you're dealing with. But even if you go into the list, you'll see at the top that those who were shot were in the middle of the battle, where Israeli forces were surprised, to the point of massacre alongside civilians. And there, it turns out, they didn't shoot to save themselves by the skin of their teeth, but simply wanted to kill journalists. Also, a quick search shows that "Mohammad Jarghoun" ("מוחמד ג'רגון") was not a journalist at all, but a media worker, that according to the CPJ [1], during wartime he receives journalistic status. (Also not mentioned in AJ [2]. what a surprise...) Another comment to the pantheon of "the most logical failures, in the fewest words". And then no one understands why the ICC will never consider such reports.. [1]: https://www.the7eye.org.il/501320 https://www.the7eye.org.il/501320 [2]: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/10/at-least-six-palestinian-journalists-killed-in-israeli-strikes-on-gaza https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/10/at-least-six-pales...
  - bigyabai 7mo ago
    [flagged]
    - yonixw 7mo ago
      Another "banger" comment that shows you did not read your sources links, here is one from the the wiki (Israeli Military Censor): https://www.academia.edu/10481823/The_Israeli_paradox_The_military_censorship_as_a_protector_of_the_freedom_of_the_press https://www.academia.edu/10481823/The_Israeli_paradox_The_mi... Maybe your third comment will finally succeed...
      - bigyabai 7mo ago
        Both researchers in that paper are Israeli residents. Do you have an independent report that corroborates their findings?
        yonixw 7mo ago
        The wiki sources FROM YOUR LINKS, are suddenly not enough once they are against you? Now now... one may mistakenly think you have some inconsistencies in your theory... and you out to revisit them first before demanding more..
        bigyabai 7mo ago
        The link corroborates my claim; the State of Israel does not protect press freedom. I am asking you to cite a better counterarguement, if you want to disprove it. Or concede that Israeli journalists are regularly threatened by their government.
  - b345 7mo ago
    How does one say that a media worker is fair game, but a journalist is not? Both are classified as civilians under international law [1]. There are several airstrikes as the method of execution of these journalists as well. Good job cherry-picking the "favourable" examples. Also, I don't know what you're on about, but ICC is clearyly investigating Israeli war crimes of targeted journalist executions [3]. [1]: https://cpj.org/2023/10/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/ https://cpj.org/2023/10/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-... [2]: https://cpj.org/data-methodology/ https://cpj.org/data-methodology/ [3]: https://ifex.org/iccs-israel-palestine-investigation-will-include-crimes-against-journalists/#:~:text=In%20its%20statement%2C%20the%20ICC,are%20of%20crucial%20importance%20in https://ifex.org/iccs-israel-palestine-investigation-will-in...
abracadaniel 7mo ago
Until they start trying the carrot instead of the stick. Then it becomes a bidding war to determine the "reality"
- asdff 7mo ago
  Always is. 'Reality' is a subjective accounting.
- zadikian 7mo ago
  They can also just do that bidding war in the resolution contract
munificent 7mo ago
I feel like being a journalist in a warzone is already exposure to a sufficient number of threats for the benefit of human society that we shouldn't simply accept them being exposed to any entirely different set of completely unnecessary threats from a pile of sociopaths running their own sick gambling dead pools.

heisenbit 7mo ago

> No matter what he reported, he would have the other side threatening him. That is why modern reportings best practice is to always support both sides. /s

strathmeyer 7mo ago

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hattmall 7mo ago

Defer to an actual authority. Where is the official report on whether or not it was an interception? Even with a large explosion the fact that it landed in a wooded area implies it was intercepted. Those are targeted missiles, an acceptable result of an interception is to bring it down in an undeveloped area. So I would think there should be some sort of authority with official capacity to state what happened, not just a random journalist that doesn't give concrete sources.

Pay08 7mo ago
Iranians primarily use rockets, not missiles. It's perfectly possible, even likely, that said rocket just missed. If you read the article, the journalist did actually say he had a military source...