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100%. It reminds me of how a ton of FreeBSD devs moved to Mac during the Darwin days. Then they were abandoned by Apple once they stopped contributing to upstre
by nullpoint420 7mo ago
100%. It reminds me of how a ton of FreeBSD devs moved to Mac during the Darwin days. Then they were abandoned by Apple once they stopped contributing to upstream.
- frumplestlatz 7mo agoWe weren’t abandoned by Apple — Apple never contributed to upstream. Darwin and OpenDarwin were APSL projects and never fed code back into FreeBSD. Using macOS meant we got laptop hardware that worked reliably, including Wi-Fi, running a more or less BSD-derived userspace. The lack of graphics and Wi-Fi driver support on the *BSDs is not Apple’s fault. It has always been a resource issue. Thanks to the AT&T lawsuit, Linux secured momentum at a critical juncture — and here we are. Path dependence and the complexities of real life mean that “winning” is never just a question of technical merit.
- pjmlp 7mo agoA consequence of the license, which allows Apple and Sony to do exactly that.
- frumplestlatz 7mo agoI and other FreeBSD developers are okay with that — if we weren’t, we’d be using a different license.
- pjmlp 7mo agoLooking to some complaints doesn't feel like everyone is.
- hideout_berlin 7mo agodo you remember opendarwin? i was also at puredarwin but the project seams death
- frumplestlatz 7mo agoYes, and Apple did kill it, unfortunately — but it was never an effort to push code upstream into the BSDs.