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Western Europe is a low trust environment compared to the beacons in (cultural) East Asia, like Singapore. I can leave my kid with an iPad in her hand here wit

by eru 8mo ago

Western Europe is a low trust environment compared to the beacons in (cultural) East Asia, like Singapore. I can leave my kid with an iPad in her hand here without fear of it being nicked, like in London. But business wise, western Europe is still relatively high trust. I suggest you read more about this.

arcticfox 8mo ago
Singapore is also an island that is ~twice as wealthy as the UK per capita. I believe you in general but I'd love a lower-income country that could be true for.
- bluGill 8mo ago
  High trust builds wealth - thus what you ask is a direct contradiction of the thesis. There is a lot of 'well' and details of what high trust means, but low trust doesn't allow for many wealth building investments - there is no possible way to make a better life (money is only a proxy) so few try and those that do are worse off.
- eru 8mo ago
  The causation likely goes both ways. Singapore was high trust before it become wealthy, though.
miroljub 8mo ago
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- eru 8mo ago
  > [...] the population of London can hardly be called Western European anymore. According to [1] in 2021 only 36,8% of the London population was White British, trend decreasing. If you want to make that argument, you'd at least need to look at the proportion of the population that's Western European, not just British.
  - miroljub 8mo ago
    > If you want to make that argument, you'd at least need to look at the proportion of the population that's Western European, not just British. The page I linked shows 53,8% white in 2021. Even if you count the majority of whites as West Europeans (and not East Europeans), they were under 50% in 2021, probably even less today. If you have more accurate and up to date data, please share. But that misses the point. I don't say London is not high-trust because of the non-Western population. I say London is not a western city anymore because of its population.
    - eru 8mo ago
      London is a western city, because of its location and culture. London has been a city of traders and other foreigners since at least the days of the Romans.
      - miroljub 8mo ago
        > London is a western city, because of its location and culture. The dominant culture of the local population is not "Western" anymore. > London has been a city of traders and other foreigners since at least the days of the Romans. Is it? Let's look at the official data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_London Percentage of white population in London over the years: - 1961 - 97,7% - 1966 - 95,5% - 1971 - 92,6% - 1981 - 86,6% - 1991 - 79,8% - 2001 - 71,15% - 2011 - 59,79% - 2021 - 53,8% It's clear that, up until very recently, London was a city of traders and other foreigners living there among the highly homogenous local population.
- throw-away-9876 8mo ago
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by eru 8mo ago

arcticfox 8mo ago

Singapore is also an island that is ~twice as wealthy as the UK per capita. I believe you in general but I'd love a lower-income country that could be true for.

bluGill 8mo ago
High trust builds wealth - thus what you ask is a direct contradiction of the thesis. There is a lot of 'well' and details of what high trust means, but low trust doesn't allow for many wealth building investments - there is no possible way to make a better life (money is only a proxy) so few try and those that do are worse off.
eru 8mo ago
The causation likely goes both ways. Singapore was high trust before it become wealthy, though.

miroljub 8mo ago

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eru 8mo ago
> [...] the population of London can hardly be called Western European anymore. According to [1] in 2021 only 36,8% of the London population was White British, trend decreasing. If you want to make that argument, you'd at least need to look at the proportion of the population that's Western European, not just British.
- miroljub 8mo ago
  > If you want to make that argument, you'd at least need to look at the proportion of the population that's Western European, not just British. The page I linked shows 53,8% white in 2021. Even if you count the majority of whites as West Europeans (and not East Europeans), they were under 50% in 2021, probably even less today. If you have more accurate and up to date data, please share. But that misses the point. I don't say London is not high-trust because of the non-Western population. I say London is not a western city anymore because of its population.
  - eru 8mo ago
    London is a western city, because of its location and culture. London has been a city of traders and other foreigners since at least the days of the Romans.
    - miroljub 8mo ago
      > London is a western city, because of its location and culture. The dominant culture of the local population is not "Western" anymore. > London has been a city of traders and other foreigners since at least the days of the Romans. Is it? Let's look at the official data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_London Percentage of white population in London over the years: - 1961 - 97,7% - 1966 - 95,5% - 1971 - 92,6% - 1981 - 86,6% - 1991 - 79,8% - 2001 - 71,15% - 2011 - 59,79% - 2021 - 53,8% It's clear that, up until very recently, London was a city of traders and other foreigners living there among the highly homogenous local population.
throw-away-9876 8mo ago
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