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(The proverbial 'that guy') Delhi police or CBI (whomsoever) is handling the case is one of the best in the nation. So, let me do my bit (because no one else h

(The proverbial 'that guy') Delhi police or CBI (whomsoever) is handling the case is one of the best in the nation. So, let me do my bit (because no one else has raised any voice). The post portrays Delhi and India in a bad light. I am pretty sure, the case is NOT as dramatic as it is being described (or the victim not as innocent) - An Indian national with very little contacts who is about to land (or is in custody from yesterday?)... That said (and realizing that I am on the losing side), I appreciate the quick thinking you guys are doing to help the person, and personally I have huge respect for the well known names (Daniel & Jacques - who are often on the front page) and that you are losing your sleep over this! Downvotes are welcome!

swombat 14y ago
They may or may not be the best in the nation, but having seen the case with my own eyes and knowing the person in question and the backstory very well, I can assure you that: 1) the case is totally made up (to a truly ridiculous extent), has been so for the six months since it came to existence, and has been handled with complete disregard for truth or any attempt to seek the truth 2) this is indeed very dramatic for the person in question 3) the person in question is completely innocent 4) the people behind this made-up case are closely connected to and influential with the police in Delhi. And yes, you're right that it does make the Indian police system seem very corrupt. I'd be ashamed of it if I was Indian.
- anu_gupta 14y ago
  > I'd be ashamed of it if I was Indian. Oh get over yourself. How many abuses of power and privilege do we see in the UK and the USA. Try to keep your racist insinuations out of what might be an admirable attempt to help someone.
  - swombat 14y ago
    > How many abuses of power and privilege do we see in the UK and the USA. Without delving into some kind of pointless comparison of national judicial/police systems, I would much prefer to be arrested by a US policeman than by an Indian one, and that's saying a lot, considering my rather low opinion of the US legal system. I don't think I'm being racist by making an observation on a system based on a number of reports by people who live there and have interacted with that system. Quit throwing names about.
  - eshvk 14y ago
    How does race even come into the picture? Is the incompetence of a judicial system not something the citizens of that country should be concerned about? No one is claiming that the country is racially inferior just because the system is broken. If you are a citizen, it is your freaking responsibility to clean up your crap. (Yes, to address your "But but America" point, I think American citizens should feel ashamed about shit that happens here. That doesn't excuse or lessen the responsibility that Indian citizens should have about their country.)
  - hkmurakami 14y ago
    Maybe the sentence would have been a bit less sensitive had Daniel used "if I were a citizen of India" instead of "Indian", in order to remove the possible racial interpretation.
    - eshvk 14y ago
      Indian is not a race :-)
      - hkmurakami 14y ago
        apologies for my ignorance :(
  - emcl 14y ago
    Ek chori upar se seena chori. saalon sharam nahi aati tumhe hn par gand daal rakha hai.ab utar gaya ye post frontpage se achcha hi hua kyunki ispar comments ne mughe bahut embarass kiya hai ye yahaan par.kar lo bkchodi saalon. indians se vakyahi mein kuch nahi ho sakta. bejatti kara dete ho sab ke sab dikha di apni akal. The OP has posted it on the most credible forum online. Just do what you can do to help out and shut up.
- shrikrishna 14y ago
  > I'd be ashamed of it if I was Indian. Well, as an Indian, I agree that we have very corrupt systems, at all levels. But when someone commits an act of corruption, you've got to realize he's doing it because he's selfish and not because of any other reason. So am I angry about it? Yes. Should that make me ashamed of being an Indian? Definitely not. As long as I am doing what is right, I have nothing to be ashamed of. What if the same situation were to occur to me? Then my anger would better be directed towards the person/people responsible, because Indian constitution never gives a powerful man previlege over a commoner, nor does it validate corruption. Except that one phrase, I don't object to anything else. I don't need to be ashamed of what evil some bastards are doing, just because we share the same nationality PS: sorry for the long reply. I waited till the actual issue was resolved so this wouldn't draw the focus away
  - sejje 14y ago
    Being ashamed of "it" (corruption, handling of the case) and being ashamed of being an Indian seem to be extremely far removed from each other. If nobody is ashamed of the process of law in your country, then change will probably be a long time coming.
workingdriver 14y ago
Huh, a person is in trouble, people are volunteering to help with a lawyer, and you're concerned about India's image? Seriously, this isn't a news and views armchair discussion thread.
newuseri 14y ago
I'm an Indian. I've been arrested and spent the night in the lockup because I said something that an MLA took as an insult. No charges, released the next day without any explanation. Don't try to put lipstick on a pig.
mikeash 14y ago
Do you have inside knowledge of this case, or are you "sure" that the case is not as described simply because you can't believe that the police could ever behave this way? If the latter, this is a pretty crappy post to make.
- jacquesm 14y ago
  > Do you have inside knowledge of this case No, he does not.
jacquesm 14y ago
> I am pretty sure, the case is NOT as dramatic as it is being described (or the victim not as innocent) You are 100% wrong on this, but you're going to have to trust me. I realize that for a 'facts and gory detais' hungry world that is not an easy thing to do but in this particular case I'm going to have to ask you to do just that.
olalonde 14y ago
Please don't bait other users by inviting them to downmod you. See http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html PS: workingdriver: strangely, your account seems to be hell banned.
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incision 14y ago
>I am pretty sure, the case is NOT as dramatic as it is being described (or the victim not as innocent) Surely you realize how asinine it is to make a claim of being "pretty sure" with further emphasis in relation to something which you necessarily know nothing about? You're trying to paint yourself as some kind of downvote martyr for "speaking up" here. I'd expect the downvotes aren't for speaking up so much as they're for being stupidly assumptive and preemptively dismissive of anyone against your baseless assertion.
RogueLeader 14y ago
I'm tired of people complaining about 'painting India in a bad light'. Corruption, abuse of power, cheapness of human life, poverty and massive wealth inequality are facts of life in India. If you don't like people pointing it out, address it, but we're not going to keep our mouths shut in service of the Great New Indian Propaganda Machine.
easternmonk 14y ago
Delhi Police or CBI is best in the nation ? Really ? Since when ? Whatever little experience I have with Delhi police, their behavior is only a little better than animals. CBI as of today remains one of the most discredited institutions. This post does portray India in bad light but looking at our police system we probably deserve that.

swombat 14y ago

They may or may not be the best in the nation, but having seen the case with my own eyes and knowing the person in question and the backstory very well, I can assure you that: 1) the case is totally made up (to a truly ridiculous extent), has been so for the six months since it came to existence, and has been handled with complete disregard for truth or any attempt to seek the truth 2) this is indeed very dramatic for the person in question 3) the person in question is completely innocent 4) the people behind this made-up case are closely connected to and influential with the police in Delhi. And yes, you're right that it does make the Indian police system seem very corrupt. I'd be ashamed of it if I was Indian.

anu_gupta 14y ago
> I'd be ashamed of it if I was Indian. Oh get over yourself. How many abuses of power and privilege do we see in the UK and the USA. Try to keep your racist insinuations out of what might be an admirable attempt to help someone.
- swombat 14y ago
  > How many abuses of power and privilege do we see in the UK and the USA. Without delving into some kind of pointless comparison of national judicial/police systems, I would much prefer to be arrested by a US policeman than by an Indian one, and that's saying a lot, considering my rather low opinion of the US legal system. I don't think I'm being racist by making an observation on a system based on a number of reports by people who live there and have interacted with that system. Quit throwing names about.
- eshvk 14y ago
  How does race even come into the picture? Is the incompetence of a judicial system not something the citizens of that country should be concerned about? No one is claiming that the country is racially inferior just because the system is broken. If you are a citizen, it is your freaking responsibility to clean up your crap. (Yes, to address your "But but America" point, I think American citizens should feel ashamed about shit that happens here. That doesn't excuse or lessen the responsibility that Indian citizens should have about their country.)
- hkmurakami 14y ago
  Maybe the sentence would have been a bit less sensitive had Daniel used "if I were a citizen of India" instead of "Indian", in order to remove the possible racial interpretation.
  - eshvk 14y ago
    Indian is not a race :-)
    - hkmurakami 14y ago
      apologies for my ignorance :(
- emcl 14y ago
  Ek chori upar se seena chori. saalon sharam nahi aati tumhe hn par gand daal rakha hai.ab utar gaya ye post frontpage se achcha hi hua kyunki ispar comments ne mughe bahut embarass kiya hai ye yahaan par.kar lo bkchodi saalon. indians se vakyahi mein kuch nahi ho sakta. bejatti kara dete ho sab ke sab dikha di apni akal. The OP has posted it on the most credible forum online. Just do what you can do to help out and shut up.
shrikrishna 14y ago
> I'd be ashamed of it if I was Indian. Well, as an Indian, I agree that we have very corrupt systems, at all levels. But when someone commits an act of corruption, you've got to realize he's doing it because he's selfish and not because of any other reason. So am I angry about it? Yes. Should that make me ashamed of being an Indian? Definitely not. As long as I am doing what is right, I have nothing to be ashamed of. What if the same situation were to occur to me? Then my anger would better be directed towards the person/people responsible, because Indian constitution never gives a powerful man previlege over a commoner, nor does it validate corruption. Except that one phrase, I don't object to anything else. I don't need to be ashamed of what evil some bastards are doing, just because we share the same nationality PS: sorry for the long reply. I waited till the actual issue was resolved so this wouldn't draw the focus away
- sejje 14y ago
  Being ashamed of "it" (corruption, handling of the case) and being ashamed of being an Indian seem to be extremely far removed from each other. If nobody is ashamed of the process of law in your country, then change will probably be a long time coming.

workingdriver 14y ago

Huh, a person is in trouble, people are volunteering to help with a lawyer, and you're concerned about India's image? Seriously, this isn't a news and views armchair discussion thread.

newuseri 14y ago

I'm an Indian. I've been arrested and spent the night in the lockup because I said something that an MLA took as an insult. No charges, released the next day without any explanation. Don't try to put lipstick on a pig.

mikeash 14y ago

Do you have inside knowledge of this case, or are you "sure" that the case is not as described simply because you can't believe that the police could ever behave this way? If the latter, this is a pretty crappy post to make.

jacquesm 14y ago
> Do you have inside knowledge of this case No, he does not.

jacquesm 14y ago

> I am pretty sure, the case is NOT as dramatic as it is being described (or the victim not as innocent) You are 100% wrong on this, but you're going to have to trust me. I realize that for a 'facts and gory detais' hungry world that is not an easy thing to do but in this particular case I'm going to have to ask you to do just that.

olalonde 14y ago

Please don't bait other users by inviting them to downmod you. See http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html PS: workingdriver: strangely, your account seems to be hell banned.

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incision 14y ago

>I am pretty sure, the case is NOT as dramatic as it is being described (or the victim not as innocent) Surely you realize how asinine it is to make a claim of being "pretty sure" with further emphasis in relation to something which you necessarily know nothing about? You're trying to paint yourself as some kind of downvote martyr for "speaking up" here. I'd expect the downvotes aren't for speaking up so much as they're for being stupidly assumptive and preemptively dismissive of anyone against your baseless assertion.

RogueLeader 14y ago

I'm tired of people complaining about 'painting India in a bad light'. Corruption, abuse of power, cheapness of human life, poverty and massive wealth inequality are facts of life in India. If you don't like people pointing it out, address it, but we're not going to keep our mouths shut in service of the Great New Indian Propaganda Machine.

easternmonk 14y ago

Delhi Police or CBI is best in the nation ? Really ? Since when ? Whatever little experience I have with Delhi police, their behavior is only a little better than animals. CBI as of today remains one of the most discredited institutions. This post does portray India in bad light but looking at our police system we probably deserve that.