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Per HN policy, stop editorializing the headlines. Here's the actual headline: > Gamblers trying to win a bet on Polymarket are vowing to kill me if I don’t re

Per HN policy, stop editorializing the headlines. Here's the actual headline: > Gamblers trying to win a bet on Polymarket are vowing to kill me if I don’t rewrite an Iran missile story

Bender 7mo ago
echo -en 'Gamblers trying to win a bet on Polymarket are vowing to kill me if I don’t rewrite an Iran missile story' | wc -c 107 HN also forces editorializing to less than 81 characters. I too sometimes struggle to editorialize the title to something that fits and ideally does not lose context.
- caminante 7mo ago
  Fair point. I'd trim the bit about Polymarket to get under the cap. > Gamblers [...] are vowing to kill me if I don’t rewrite an Iran missile story You'll lose a little topical/karma sizzle (with no "Polymarket" keyword), but it's higher fidelity.
  - Bender 7mo ago
    The submission is currently still under 2 hours old so defly could edit if they see your comment. After that it would be up to dang.
    - caminante 7mo ago
      It's thoughtful of you to point out, though, not a big deal.
      - arduanika 7mo ago
        It's a big deal to me! I have a bet riding on this! If the mods don't change the headline to contain the word "rewrite" by midnight PST, then... eh, nvm, I probably shouldn't even joke about this. (To be clear, this whole story is horrifying. I hope there's a way to identify these bettors and bring them to justice.)
  - Terr_ 7mo ago
    > I'd trim the bit about Polymarket to Heck no, that's removing the important part of the news! Specifically, that a new kind of unregulated anonymous bet-making is leading to new kind of violence against journalists. In contrast, the piece isn't really about Iran, or about Missiles, although those underscore the gravity or perversion of what's going on. _____________ Such a cut isn't necessary either, compare the original versus this 79-character version: Gamblers trying to win a bet on Polymarket are vowing to kill me if I don’t rewrite an Iran missile story Gamblers on Polymarket vow to kill me if I don’t rewrite an Iran missile story The assumption that Gamblers care about winning a bet should be obvious and implicit, so that's an obvious thing to omit. The ongoing nature of the vowing is also unnecessary when simply having past cases is bad enough.
    - caminante 7mo ago
      even better headline golf!
user982 7mo ago
That original headline is longer than what HN accepts. What editorialized message are you accusing the shorter "Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story" of inserting?
- caminante 7mo ago
  For starters, no mention of re-write option. The HN headline makes me assume pre-emptive death threats instead of escalation over dialogue to re-write.
  - applfanboysbgon 7mo ago
    "I will kill you if you do not do X" is still a threat to kill you. All the more so when X is a thing the person will obviously not do. Rewriting the story would destroy whatever credibility they have as a journalist, and probably is literally not even possible assuming they work for any kind of reasonable organization (hey boss, I need you to update that story I wrote so a different set of gamblers win). Also, even if they did update it, they'd probably start receiving death threats from the gamblers on the other side of the bet they just screwed over. Honestly kind of crazy that you call such an ultimatum a "rewrite option", as if that diminishes the fact that it's a death threat in any way whatsoever.
    - caminante 7mo ago
      >Honestly kind of crazy that you call such an ultimatum a "rewrite option" It's crazy for me to use the first person's own words? That's crazy? Journalists get threats all the time. You just made my point on why it's more nuanced that this author engaged and was offered a chance to re-write.
      - applfanboysbgon 7mo ago
        "Offered a chance to re-write." How is it even possibly to downplay something to this degree? I suppose "I'm going to kill you if you don't wire me everything in your bank account" is not a death threat, because hey, they're offering you a chance to give them all of your money. When someone on the street holds you at knifepoint, they're just offering you a chance to give them your wallet and phone!
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tantalor 7mo ago
> Gamblers trying to win a bet on Polymarket are vowing to kill me if I don’t rewrite an Iran missile story > Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story These carry the same meaning. No editorializing happened.
- caminante 7mo ago
  You're saying that after having read the article. A priori, you'd get different impressions between a regular journalist death threats and someone engaging to re-write an article leading to death threats.
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UqWBcuFx6NV4r 7mo ago
I’d suggest that you brush up on HN character limits before playing hall monitor.
- caminante 7mo ago
  How'd you get to here and miss all of the discussion?

Per HN policy, stop editorializing the headlines. Here's the actual headline: > Gamblers trying to win a bet on Polymarket are vowing to kill me if I don’t rewrite an Iran missile story

Bender 7mo ago

echo -en 'Gamblers trying to win a bet on Polymarket are vowing to kill me if I don’t rewrite an Iran missile story' | wc -c 107 HN also forces editorializing to less than 81 characters. I too sometimes struggle to editorialize the title to something that fits and ideally does not lose context.

caminante 7mo ago
Fair point. I'd trim the bit about Polymarket to get under the cap. > Gamblers [...] are vowing to kill me if I don’t rewrite an Iran missile story You'll lose a little topical/karma sizzle (with no "Polymarket" keyword), but it's higher fidelity.
- Bender 7mo ago
  The submission is currently still under 2 hours old so defly could edit if they see your comment. After that it would be up to dang.
  - caminante 7mo ago
    It's thoughtful of you to point out, though, not a big deal.
    - arduanika 7mo ago
      It's a big deal to me! I have a bet riding on this! If the mods don't change the headline to contain the word "rewrite" by midnight PST, then... eh, nvm, I probably shouldn't even joke about this. (To be clear, this whole story is horrifying. I hope there's a way to identify these bettors and bring them to justice.)
- Terr_ 7mo ago
  > I'd trim the bit about Polymarket to Heck no, that's removing the important part of the news! Specifically, that a new kind of unregulated anonymous bet-making is leading to new kind of violence against journalists. In contrast, the piece isn't really about Iran, or about Missiles, although those underscore the gravity or perversion of what's going on. _____________ Such a cut isn't necessary either, compare the original versus this 79-character version: Gamblers trying to win a bet on Polymarket are vowing to kill me if I don’t rewrite an Iran missile story Gamblers on Polymarket vow to kill me if I don’t rewrite an Iran missile story The assumption that Gamblers care about winning a bet should be obvious and implicit, so that's an obvious thing to omit. The ongoing nature of the vowing is also unnecessary when simply having past cases is bad enough.
  - caminante 7mo ago
    even better headline golf!

user982 7mo ago

That original headline is longer than what HN accepts. What editorialized message are you accusing the shorter "Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story" of inserting?

caminante 7mo ago
For starters, no mention of re-write option. The HN headline makes me assume pre-emptive death threats instead of escalation over dialogue to re-write.
- applfanboysbgon 7mo ago
  "I will kill you if you do not do X" is still a threat to kill you. All the more so when X is a thing the person will obviously not do. Rewriting the story would destroy whatever credibility they have as a journalist, and probably is literally not even possible assuming they work for any kind of reasonable organization (hey boss, I need you to update that story I wrote so a different set of gamblers win). Also, even if they did update it, they'd probably start receiving death threats from the gamblers on the other side of the bet they just screwed over. Honestly kind of crazy that you call such an ultimatum a "rewrite option", as if that diminishes the fact that it's a death threat in any way whatsoever.
  - caminante 7mo ago
    >Honestly kind of crazy that you call such an ultimatum a "rewrite option" It's crazy for me to use the first person's own words? That's crazy? Journalists get threats all the time. You just made my point on why it's more nuanced that this author engaged and was offered a chance to re-write.
    - applfanboysbgon 7mo ago
      "Offered a chance to re-write." How is it even possibly to downplay something to this degree? I suppose "I'm going to kill you if you don't wire me everything in your bank account" is not a death threat, because hey, they're offering you a chance to give them all of your money. When someone on the street holds you at knifepoint, they're just offering you a chance to give them your wallet and phone!

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tantalor 7mo ago

> Gamblers trying to win a bet on Polymarket are vowing to kill me if I don’t rewrite an Iran missile story > Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story These carry the same meaning. No editorializing happened.

caminante 7mo ago
You're saying that after having read the article. A priori, you'd get different impressions between a regular journalist death threats and someone engaging to re-write an article leading to death threats.

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UqWBcuFx6NV4r 7mo ago

I’d suggest that you brush up on HN character limits before playing hall monitor.

caminante 7mo ago
How'd you get to here and miss all of the discussion?