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I always found the issue of artificial CSAM fascinating. It's repulsive content, but entirely synthetic. Or it it? How do they get the subject right? Where do

by nicbou 8mo ago

I always found the issue of artificial CSAM fascinating. It's repulsive content, but entirely synthetic. Or it it? How do they get the subject right? Where do they draw their inspiration from? What does having communities form around such content mean? What harm does normalising the sexualization of children do? Does it suppress an urge or encourage it? I struggle to see it as a victimless crime. It might not directly harm children, but the idea of a "scene" for this sort of content is disturbing. On the other hand, my entire line of reasoning is the same people used to try to ban violent video games. It's the "gateway drug" to the really bad thing. It feels like the same debate with an ickier subject.

Grimblewald 8mo ago
Try to imagine how nuanced you'd feel it is when someone takes an image of your child and distributes AI csam in their likeness. Imagine how nuanced you'd feel the topic is when real csam can hide in broad daylight because everyone assumes it's fake/detection of real vs fake becomes impossible with existing tech. This is a hill i'll die on, violently. There's no real nuance here, the damage it causes is far to extreme to even entertain the thought beyond a few thought experiments to confirm there is no case this is ever acceptable.
- nicbou 8mo ago
  We're dying on the same hill. I agree with you. I'm just examining my own biases out loud.
  - Grimblewald 8mo ago
    Re-reading without a knee jerk, its a well reasoned examination. I suppose I might be overly sensitive to the topic given general lack of justice we already see in the domain, normalizing further feels like an existenial threat to basic human decency. Perhaps i need to disengage from the topic, i find visceral reactions like mine unbecoming. Appologies for not engaging critically initially and thanks for the vibe check.
    - nicbou 8mo ago
      Your reaction seemed reasonable to me.

by nicbou 8mo ago

Grimblewald 8mo ago

Try to imagine how nuanced you'd feel it is when someone takes an image of your child and distributes AI csam in their likeness. Imagine how nuanced you'd feel the topic is when real csam can hide in broad daylight because everyone assumes it's fake/detection of real vs fake becomes impossible with existing tech. This is a hill i'll die on, violently. There's no real nuance here, the damage it causes is far to extreme to even entertain the thought beyond a few thought experiments to confirm there is no case this is ever acceptable.

nicbou 8mo ago
We're dying on the same hill. I agree with you. I'm just examining my own biases out loud.
- Grimblewald 8mo ago
  Re-reading without a knee jerk, its a well reasoned examination. I suppose I might be overly sensitive to the topic given general lack of justice we already see in the domain, normalizing further feels like an existenial threat to basic human decency. Perhaps i need to disengage from the topic, i find visceral reactions like mine unbecoming. Appologies for not engaging critically initially and thanks for the vibe check.
  - nicbou 8mo ago
    Your reaction seemed reasonable to me.