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> Wouldn't you actually want people to generate those images with AI so they are less incentivized to pay for the real stuff? You got a study showing that's ho

> Wouldn't you actually want people to generate those images with AI so they are less incentivized to pay for the real stuff? You got a study showing that's how it works! > Or is there any indication that availability of CSAM material actually increases the likelihood that people act on it later? There's a decent amount of research that shows the escalating nature of pornography consumption. https://fightthenewdrug.org/how-porn-can-become-an-escalating-behavior/ https://fightthenewdrug.org/how-porn-can-become-an-escalatin... You can follow the references in this article. Surely it's better to ask why people are looking for any kind of child abuse material, generated or not, and find ways to help them. As much as it's reasonable to worry about moral panic one might also worry about moral complacency.

echoangle 7mo ago
> You got a study showing that's how it works! Assuming that’s a question, no I don’t. > There's a decent amount of research that shows the escalating nature of pornography consumption. Watching more extreme porn doesn’t mean you actually do it in real life later though. > Surely it's better to ask why people are looking for any kind of child abuse material, generated or not, and find ways to help them. Wouldn’t it be best to do both? And also, is there a known way to „help“ pedophiles? Isn’t it like wanting to „help“ homosexual people by converting them to being heterosexual? They are attracted to what they’re attracted to, is there any chance of changing that?
- AlecSchueler 7mo ago
  > Watching more extreme porn doesn’t mean you actually do it in real life later though. Is this also an assumption? The opposite makes more sense to me intuitively. You're priming yourself to sexualise children. > Wouldn’t it be best to do both? And also, is there a known way to „help“ pedophiles? Why would it be best to do both? You're asking but not putting forward a reason. Currently treatments would focus on helping with behavioural impulses via things like CBT, and reducing physical desires pharmacologically. I'm not familiar with any treatment that involves exposure. > Isn’t it like wanting to „help“ homosexual people by converting them to being heterosexual? I wouldn't say so but would say this leap in logic feels like a bad faith argument. The obvious difference is that homosexual people can engage in harmless sexual behaviours with other people. > They are attracted to what they’re attracted to, is there any chance of changing that? This isn't a settled thing either, medically. Are you sure it's something inherent to the person and not something rooted in trauma? And yes, as I said above, there are treatment options currently available.

echoangle 7mo ago

> You got a study showing that's how it works! Assuming that’s a question, no I don’t. > There's a decent amount of research that shows the escalating nature of pornography consumption. Watching more extreme porn doesn’t mean you actually do it in real life later though. > Surely it's better to ask why people are looking for any kind of child abuse material, generated or not, and find ways to help them. Wouldn’t it be best to do both? And also, is there a known way to „help“ pedophiles? Isn’t it like wanting to „help“ homosexual people by converting them to being heterosexual? They are attracted to what they’re attracted to, is there any chance of changing that?

AlecSchueler 7mo ago
> Watching more extreme porn doesn’t mean you actually do it in real life later though. Is this also an assumption? The opposite makes more sense to me intuitively. You're priming yourself to sexualise children. > Wouldn’t it be best to do both? And also, is there a known way to „help“ pedophiles? Why would it be best to do both? You're asking but not putting forward a reason. Currently treatments would focus on helping with behavioural impulses via things like CBT, and reducing physical desires pharmacologically. I'm not familiar with any treatment that involves exposure. > Isn’t it like wanting to „help“ homosexual people by converting them to being heterosexual? I wouldn't say so but would say this leap in logic feels like a bad faith argument. The obvious difference is that homosexual people can engage in harmless sexual behaviours with other people. > They are attracted to what they’re attracted to, is there any chance of changing that? This isn't a settled thing either, medically. Are you sure it's something inherent to the person and not something rooted in trauma? And yes, as I said above, there are treatment options currently available.