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We don't have (and I doubt we will ever have) tools for distinguishing between real and ai generated images with a guaranteed 100% accuracy (and 0% false negati
by _aavaa_ 7mo ago
We don't have (and I doubt we will ever have) tools for distinguishing between real and ai generated images with a guaranteed 100% accuracy (and 0% false negative and false positive rates).
Given that, I don't see how you can allow ai generated CSAM without effectively making "real" csam images be unprosectable.
- echoangle 7mo agoSo you think that currently, until this law is implemented, CSAM is effectively unprosecutable because people can just claim they generated the image with AI?
- _aavaa_ 7mo agoI think that there is a >0% probability that a individual case can be unprosecutable (or at least have the image evidence be much less useful) if the person in question actively starts generating CSAM using AI for the purpose of casting doubt on the legitimacy of any individual real image that the prosecutor wants to use as evidence. The standard is beyond reasonable doubt, and I think that's going to become an increasingly difficult bar to clear if the AI generated versions (either made for their own case or as decoys) are allowed to remain legal.
- polski-g 7mo agoWell they could ask the child in the photo...
- CaptainFever 7mo agoYou could have government-signed models + programs that are approved for generating CP (not CSAM). It's legal if the signature checks out. Something like https://contentauthenticity.org/ https://contentauthenticity.org/ but for verifying that something is definitely made by AI. (You need to sign both the models and the programs to make sure there's no img2img.)
- _aavaa_ 7mo agoWe can't agree on weed or safe injection sites, you think we'll have government approved CP generation?
- PathfinderBot 7mo agoI totally agree, we should aim for all three harm reduction measures.
- _aavaa_ 7mo agoYeah? How? What strategy do you have for government funded and provided CP that is even remotely within the realm of political possibility?
- echoangle 7mo agoYou don’t even need to give them a model, just generate some images and publish them. If you find those images, it’s fine, if you find anything else, arrest them.
- PathfinderBot 7mo agoThat works too, though it'll of course result in a smaller selection and therefore smaller impact on the real market.
- lm28469 7mo agoThe level of tech solutionist brain rot you need to reach to propose state sponsored child porn generator... This forum is a parody of itself
- PathfinderBot 7mo agoSo no real arguments against it, only insults. That's great news, thank you! :)