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IQ correlates most strongly with socioeconomic class, with members of the same ethnic group scoring higher over the decades as that ethnic group as a whole beco

IQ correlates most strongly with socioeconomic class, with members of the same ethnic group scoring higher over the decades as that ethnic group as a whole becomes wealthier.

rayiner 7mo ago
Exactly the opposite is true. Adoption studies have been used to isolate the effect of SES itself, and the contribution of that factor is low: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289621000635 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01602... (“Proportion of variance in IQ attributable to environmentally mediated effects of parental IQs was estimated at .01… Heritability was estimated to be 0.42.”).
- tptacek 7mo ago
  This is just SIBS data. It has all the standard "Minnesota" limitations: the study is tiny, the cohort isn't demographically representative, adoption isn't itself random, nothing deconfounds the prenatal environment, and the children in the cohort are also adopted at different ages. It's one thing to call out an interesting paper; it's another to act as if the matter has been settled simply by pointing to SIBS.
  - rayiner 7mo ago
    The assertion I was responding to was this: “IQ correlates most strongly with socioeconomic class.” Find me any study that shows that IQ is more strongly correlated with SES than with parental IQ.
oa335 7mo ago
Socioeconomic status limits genetic potential. Thus the effects of SES dominate for those in poverty, but heritability dominates for those with higher SES. For the intuition think of height - a malnourished child will not reach their “genetic” height. A fully nourished child will be limited by their “genetics”. Why wouldn’t other biological characteristics be similar? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarr%E2%80%93Rowe_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarr%E2%80%93Rowe_effect
- rayiner 7mo ago
  Note that at what you’re describing is a hypothesis and at least some studies have failed to identify empirical support for it: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0276562424000738 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027656242...

IQ correlates most strongly with socioeconomic class, with members of the same ethnic group scoring higher over the decades as that ethnic group as a whole becomes wealthier.

rayiner 7mo ago

Exactly the opposite is true. Adoption studies have been used to isolate the effect of SES itself, and the contribution of that factor is low: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289621000635 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01602... (“Proportion of variance in IQ attributable to environmentally mediated effects of parental IQs was estimated at .01… Heritability was estimated to be 0.42.”).

tptacek 7mo ago
This is just SIBS data. It has all the standard "Minnesota" limitations: the study is tiny, the cohort isn't demographically representative, adoption isn't itself random, nothing deconfounds the prenatal environment, and the children in the cohort are also adopted at different ages. It's one thing to call out an interesting paper; it's another to act as if the matter has been settled simply by pointing to SIBS.
- rayiner 7mo ago
  The assertion I was responding to was this: “IQ correlates most strongly with socioeconomic class.” Find me any study that shows that IQ is more strongly correlated with SES than with parental IQ.

oa335 7mo ago

Socioeconomic status limits genetic potential. Thus the effects of SES dominate for those in poverty, but heritability dominates for those with higher SES. For the intuition think of height - a malnourished child will not reach their “genetic” height. A fully nourished child will be limited by their “genetics”. Why wouldn’t other biological characteristics be similar? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarr%E2%80%93Rowe_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarr%E2%80%93Rowe_effect

rayiner 7mo ago
Note that at what you’re describing is a hypothesis and at least some studies have failed to identify empirical support for it: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0276562424000738 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027656242...