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Probably refering to his nazi salute, and support for far-right neo-nazi groups like AfD in Germany

laughing_man 7mo ago
That's what I thought. The "Nazi salute" was just a cringy rendition of the "my heart goes out to you" thing. I can find dozens of other famous people doing something similar. And the AfD isn't a neo-Nazi group.
- gambiting 7mo ago
  As someone who literally grew up next to Auschwitz - the attempts to excuse Elon's Nazi salute as anything but exactly that are just sickening. Those who don't study history are bound to repeat it, indeed. "My heart goes out to you" - a man literally doing a sieg heil. Bloody hell.
  - laughing_man 7mo ago
    I don't see that growing up next to Auschwitz makes you an expert in this area. It wasn't a Nazi salute, and that should be obvious.
    - gambiting 7mo ago
      It absolutely is a Nazi salute, and it should be obvious to anyone. >>I don't see that growing up next to Auschwitz makes you an expert in this area. Something about being taught about this stuff endlessly at school and seeing it brought up all the time in your immediate neighbourhood makes you recognize when it happens - I guess that's just how it works.
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    - ncallaway 7mo ago
      It was so obviously a Nazi salute, and anyone denying it is lying. Either to themselves or to others.
      - laughing_man 7mo ago
        I get that Musk isn't popular here, but the idea people would assign that kind of motive to what was just an awkward moment is just sick.
        gambiting 7mo ago
        I don't know dude - I think pretending it isn't what it very obviously is is just morally and intellectually bankrupt. We can cover our eyes and ears and pretend this isn't happening - and maybe it might even work for us and we might be spared the return of fascism as a normalized force in our society if things go right. Or we can just call it for what it is and not support it by trying to excuse it. >> what was just an awkward moment The whole idea that the self-proclaimed "most intelligent man on earth" didn't know what he was doing and it was actually some kind of heart felt awkward gesture is again, dishonest at best.
- selfhoster1312 7mo ago
  > I can find dozens of other famous people doing something similar. The interpretation can be doubted, but you have to give credit to Elon Musk for being an actual techno-fascist coming from a family of pro-apartheid racists. Maybe it's not technically a nazi salute, but you can't argue it's not a fascist salute given his political inclinations. > And the AfD isn't a neo-Nazi group. Please read up on the AfD. They have nazi references in their propaganda, actual nazis in their ranks, and an actual nazi program. On that last point, when they plan secret meetings for deporting wrong-race german citizens, that's straight out of Hitler's playbook, and was his solution before the "final solution" (mass extermination). I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're simply uninformed and not actually downplaying nazism. Happy to provide sources for a specific point if you can't find any.
- ncallaway 7mo ago
  > The "Nazi salute" was just a cringy rendition of the "my heart goes out to you" thing Okay, you believe what you want, I guess. > And the AfD isn't a neo-Nazi group. Uh, huh. Sure.
- GJim 7mo ago
  If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck..... then we have to entertain the possibility we might be dealing with a duck.
- tencentshill 7mo ago
  Why defend him?

That's what I thought. The "Nazi salute" was just a cringy rendition of the "my heart goes out to you" thing. I can find dozens of other famous people doing something similar. And the AfD isn't a neo-Nazi group.

gambiting 7mo ago
As someone who literally grew up next to Auschwitz - the attempts to excuse Elon's Nazi salute as anything but exactly that are just sickening. Those who don't study history are bound to repeat it, indeed. "My heart goes out to you" - a man literally doing a sieg heil. Bloody hell.
- laughing_man 7mo ago
  I don't see that growing up next to Auschwitz makes you an expert in this area. It wasn't a Nazi salute, and that should be obvious.
  - gambiting 7mo ago
    It absolutely is a Nazi salute, and it should be obvious to anyone. >>I don't see that growing up next to Auschwitz makes you an expert in this area. Something about being taught about this stuff endlessly at school and seeing it brought up all the time in your immediate neighbourhood makes you recognize when it happens - I guess that's just how it works.
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  - ncallaway 7mo ago
    It was so obviously a Nazi salute, and anyone denying it is lying. Either to themselves or to others.
    - laughing_man 7mo ago
      I get that Musk isn't popular here, but the idea people would assign that kind of motive to what was just an awkward moment is just sick.
      - gambiting 7mo ago
        I don't know dude - I think pretending it isn't what it very obviously is is just morally and intellectually bankrupt. We can cover our eyes and ears and pretend this isn't happening - and maybe it might even work for us and we might be spared the return of fascism as a normalized force in our society if things go right. Or we can just call it for what it is and not support it by trying to excuse it. >> what was just an awkward moment The whole idea that the self-proclaimed "most intelligent man on earth" didn't know what he was doing and it was actually some kind of heart felt awkward gesture is again, dishonest at best.
selfhoster1312 7mo ago
> I can find dozens of other famous people doing something similar. The interpretation can be doubted, but you have to give credit to Elon Musk for being an actual techno-fascist coming from a family of pro-apartheid racists. Maybe it's not technically a nazi salute, but you can't argue it's not a fascist salute given his political inclinations. > And the AfD isn't a neo-Nazi group. Please read up on the AfD. They have nazi references in their propaganda, actual nazis in their ranks, and an actual nazi program. On that last point, when they plan secret meetings for deporting wrong-race german citizens, that's straight out of Hitler's playbook, and was his solution before the "final solution" (mass extermination). I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're simply uninformed and not actually downplaying nazism. Happy to provide sources for a specific point if you can't find any.
ncallaway 7mo ago
> The "Nazi salute" was just a cringy rendition of the "my heart goes out to you" thing Okay, you believe what you want, I guess. > And the AfD isn't a neo-Nazi group. Uh, huh. Sure.
GJim 7mo ago
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck..... then we have to entertain the possibility we might be dealing with a duck.
tencentshill 7mo ago
Why defend him?