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Countries tend to sign munition restrictions when they don't use those munitions or are in a position where they wouldn't be useful. The map of countries which

by XorNot 7mo ago

Countries tend to sign munition restrictions when they don't use those munitions or are in a position where they wouldn't be useful. The map of countries which sign the convention against landmines is extremely obvious in that context.

markdown 7mo ago
> are in a position where they wouldn't be useful. No such country exists. So long as enemies are likely to put boots, wheels, or tracks on the ground in your country, landmines are extremely useful, extremely cheap, and extremely effective.
- cpgxiii 7mo ago
  The point is that almost all of the signatories considered themselves to be immune to a "real war" in their futures at the time they signed. E.g. basically all of the European signatories assumed that the end of the cold war and existence of NATO would ensure the end of any possible threat. Given that assumption, as obviously flawed as it was, signing on to a ban was cheap PR (literally cheap, too, because it meant they could divest those weapons and their delivery mechanisms to reduce defense expenditures).
  - breppp 7mo ago
    which is exactly why european countries threatened by russia are starting to withdraw from the treaty, five had recently announced so
  - palmotea 7mo ago
    > Given that assumption, as obviously flawed as it was, signing on to a ban was cheap PR (literally cheap, too, because it meant they could divest those weapons and their delivery mechanisms to reduce defense expenditures). Doubly so, since they understood themselves to be backed up by a non-signatory (the US).
spwa4 7mo ago
You also have the large number of countries that sign treaties, then just ignore them. Iran is an example of a nation that signs UN treaties, then openly boast about violating them. Iran signed the human rights treaties ... and openly executes gays and minors. They boast about this publicly.

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Countries tend to sign munition restrictions when they don't use those munitions or are in a position where they wouldn't be useful. The map of countries which

by XorNot 7mo ago

markdown 7mo ago
> are in a position where they wouldn't be useful. No such country exists. So long as enemies are likely to put boots, wheels, or tracks on the ground in your country, landmines are extremely useful, extremely cheap, and extremely effective.
- cpgxiii 7mo ago
  The point is that almost all of the signatories considered themselves to be immune to a "real war" in their futures at the time they signed. E.g. basically all of the European signatories assumed that the end of the cold war and existence of NATO would ensure the end of any possible threat. Given that assumption, as obviously flawed as it was, signing on to a ban was cheap PR (literally cheap, too, because it meant they could divest those weapons and their delivery mechanisms to reduce defense expenditures).
  - breppp 7mo ago
    which is exactly why european countries threatened by russia are starting to withdraw from the treaty, five had recently announced so
  - palmotea 7mo ago
    > Given that assumption, as obviously flawed as it was, signing on to a ban was cheap PR (literally cheap, too, because it meant they could divest those weapons and their delivery mechanisms to reduce defense expenditures). Doubly so, since they understood themselves to be backed up by a non-signatory (the US).
spwa4 7mo ago
You also have the large number of countries that sign treaties, then just ignore them. Iran is an example of a nation that signs UN treaties, then openly boast about violating them. Iran signed the human rights treaties ... and openly executes gays and minors. They boast about this publicly.