> You are quite literally saying you are anti free speech while simultaneously complaining about trump infringing it. I did not 'quite literally' say anything

> You are quite literally saying you are anti free speech while simultaneously complaining about trump infringing it. I did not 'quite literally' say anything like that. > You are directly calling for a small US platform to censor free speech when you are not even here? Sorry, but this is not a small US platform but a large global one and that pesky thing called 'free speech' that you're so hot about at least should give me the right to speak my mind about the limits to free speech because it is clear that HN is weaponized, and I don't want it to be. > You would protest I'm sure but if a far right controlled EU came to be the point is you'd be the minority and would be treated exactly like EU treats your far right groups now. The reason the EU treats those far right groups like that is to avoid a certain replay. I'm all for avoiding that. > You're arguing from a moral highground when I literally don't care. You're free to stop arguing, but as long as you argue you show you do care. > I am not much morally different than you I agree with almost all liberal beliefs. So, it's worth arguing about those little details that may make the difference between 'society survives' and 'society goes boom'. > I am saying I hope you and others like you never have the ability to perform the actions you call for in america. I don't have any power in America, other than the power of speech from the other side of the ocean, on a forum where I spent infinitely more time than you by now. And yes, I do care. > I view calls for censorship and stopping the spread of ideas as far more dangerous than the ideas themselves. Yes, there are many more like you. And that's fine. But there are also some that have read the occasional war diary (or two) and that realize that free speech can be weaponized just as easily as censorship and that both of these are wrong. It's just that as soon as you become dogmatic you lose objectivity, and the Germans have found out the hard way that some trees are best taken out before they grow roots. Whether they will be able to keep doing that forever remains to be seen but it should be a tell that the likes of Musk are aligned with the EU far right. And Musk is a lot more meddlesome in EU politics than I'll ever be in the states. > I will say in EU you may be largely right. If far right get in power they will crush liberal beliefs exactly as liberal crushed far right beliefs and all your fears will occur. And what makes you think the USA is immune? Doesn't the most recent decade show you that you are as much if not more in danger than Europe? > There would be your evil twin advocating all platforms to ban pro lgbt statements and getting laws in place to make it happen. I don't know why you keep bringing LGBT into this but this goes far beyond that. > Instead we should make laws to prevent you or your evil twin doing anything to the free flow of ideas. No worries, Bezos, Musk, Murdoch, Trump and a whole bunch of others that are way out of your control are doing just that, you don't need me for that. You'll have the illusion of the free flow of ideas but it will be nicely choreographed. > AKA: the first Amendment > This whole conversation makes me love america lol ...