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I have a feeling they're going to be very disappointed with the actual answers they'll receive to these questions.

Telaneo 7mo ago
On the one hand, I'd love a judge to respond 'yes' to all of these, if only to confirm how ridiculous they are and that a reasonable implementation is impossible. On the other hand, I'd hate for a judge to respond 'yes', because then the enforcement of said ridiculousness becomes vindicated.
- dataflow 7mo ago
  These aren't all yes/no questions. And what I'm saying is I think anyone who thinks there's some sort of paradox in answering these will be in for a rude awakening. E.g., "How do you fine someone per child affected?" Idk, maybe the parents that become aware of their children being affected would join a lawsuit, and others would not be parties to the suit?
  - akdev1l 7mo ago
    so many people start asking random questions like these acting as if judges are drooling baboons or something “What’s even an operating system will this apply to my toaster?” - probably not, a judge would ultimately decide.
    - bee_rider 7mo ago
      That seems pretty annoying for people who sell computing appliances like smart toasters, routers, and televisions, and videogame consoles—do they preemptively start implementing in case a judge decides they are covered? Why not write an easy-to-interpret law in the first place?
      - dataflow 7mo ago
        Exactly which part of AB 1043 makes you think a "smart toaster" could reasonably fall under it?
        bee_rider 7mo ago
        I was responding to the scenario set out in the comment I responded to. > “What’s even an operating system will this apply to my toaster?” - probably not, a judge would ultimately decide.
        enoint 7mo ago
        The GE smart wall oven could meet the definition. I’m genuinely unsure which way a judge would rule. For ovens which do not provide an App Store, I cannot tell what the intent of AB 1043 should be.
        enoint 7mo ago
        For example, if GE assumes some risk and issues an OS update, then the oven will ask the users age. GE would at that point be capable of limiting functionality based on age. But the bill is not enforced against GE, but the OS maintainer.
        dataflow 7mo ago
        > The GE smart wall oven could meet the definition. I’m genuinely unsure which way a judge would rule. > or ovens which do not provide an App Store, I cannot tell what the intent of AB 1043 should be. - Does the oven have an "account setup" process? - Does the phrase "the user of that device" make sense for this oven? - Does "the purpose of providing a signal regarding the user’s age bracket to applications available in a covered application store" make sense for this oven? - Does "to provide a developer, as defined, who has requested a signal" seem relevant to this oven?
        enoint 7mo ago
        Since there are no exceptions, I’m not sure if a judge will ask those. One judge might look at an appliance with no screen or input and “nope” it quickly. Another might decide that these OS designers should show more caution. And just because their distro supports ovens, it also supports Amazon Echo.

On the one hand, I'd love a judge to respond 'yes' to all of these, if only to confirm how ridiculous they are and that a reasonable implementation is impossible. On the other hand, I'd hate for a judge to respond 'yes', because then the enforcement of said ridiculousness becomes vindicated.

dataflow 7mo ago
These aren't all yes/no questions. And what I'm saying is I think anyone who thinks there's some sort of paradox in answering these will be in for a rude awakening. E.g., "How do you fine someone per child affected?" Idk, maybe the parents that become aware of their children being affected would join a lawsuit, and others would not be parties to the suit?
- akdev1l 7mo ago
  so many people start asking random questions like these acting as if judges are drooling baboons or something “What’s even an operating system will this apply to my toaster?” - probably not, a judge would ultimately decide.
  - bee_rider 7mo ago
    That seems pretty annoying for people who sell computing appliances like smart toasters, routers, and televisions, and videogame consoles—do they preemptively start implementing in case a judge decides they are covered? Why not write an easy-to-interpret law in the first place?
    - dataflow 7mo ago
      Exactly which part of AB 1043 makes you think a "smart toaster" could reasonably fall under it?
      - bee_rider 7mo ago
        I was responding to the scenario set out in the comment I responded to. > “What’s even an operating system will this apply to my toaster?” - probably not, a judge would ultimately decide.
      - enoint 7mo ago
        The GE smart wall oven could meet the definition. I’m genuinely unsure which way a judge would rule. For ovens which do not provide an App Store, I cannot tell what the intent of AB 1043 should be.
        enoint 7mo ago
        For example, if GE assumes some risk and issues an OS update, then the oven will ask the users age. GE would at that point be capable of limiting functionality based on age. But the bill is not enforced against GE, but the OS maintainer.
        dataflow 7mo ago
        > The GE smart wall oven could meet the definition. I’m genuinely unsure which way a judge would rule. > or ovens which do not provide an App Store, I cannot tell what the intent of AB 1043 should be. - Does the oven have an "account setup" process? - Does the phrase "the user of that device" make sense for this oven? - Does "the purpose of providing a signal regarding the user’s age bracket to applications available in a covered application store" make sense for this oven? - Does "to provide a developer, as defined, who has requested a signal" seem relevant to this oven?
        enoint 7mo ago
        Since there are no exceptions, I’m not sure if a judge will ask those. One judge might look at an appliance with no screen or input and “nope” it quickly. Another might decide that these OS designers should show more caution. And just because their distro supports ovens, it also supports Amazon Echo.