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This is only true as long as there is money for the military. When money is gone, the military is gone. Money goes easily when a country has a large debt and

This is only true as long as there is money for the military. When money is gone, the military is gone. Money goes easily when a country has a large debt and need other countries to continue to buy into that debt.

PaulDavisThe1st 7mo ago
It's not the military that makes it impossible. It's the incredible level of interwoven left/right, progressive/conservative, urban/rural populations in more or less every state. More people voted for the current president in CA than in more or less any other state. Yet it is viewed as a "blue" state. The millions of Democratic voters in large cities like Houston or Atlanta may not control their state legislatures, but they are not going to sit by as those legislatures attempt to secede. Rural voters across most states are not going to sit by while their urban-controlled legislatures attempt to secede. We don't have "peripheral" states here, and we don't have "red or blue" states. We have a mostly urban/rural divide that does not follow state boundaries in any sense at all.
- garte 7mo ago
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- righthand 7mo ago
  People are building bunkers and tax avoidance as protest is becoming popular again. I think all people want is to secede.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 7mo ago
    These are niche behaviors. Most Americans live where they live, plan to remain there (with the possible exception of what is left of the trans community in nominally red states, and some women in similar states). If and when the shit truly hits the fan (to the extent that it has not already done so), most Americans will be right where they are now, without bunkers and having filed their taxes.
    - righthand 7mo ago
      I’m not talking about how most people are operating. I’m talking about the current thought movements going on and what people are doing because of the times. These are each niche things that are becoming popularized ideas. The divide you’re talking about Red vs Blue is not where strong bonds lie. We can see that from the extreme flip-flopping on Trump by various demographics and the similarities between Maga and Democratic party being built through small disparate demographics. It might take another 5 or 10 years but people will probably largely stop paying federal taxes and put the money into savings or something elsewhere.
      - mlrtime 7mo ago
        >current thought movements Are just those, thoughts. Show me any real statistics that the average family is making hard changes. It's the same rhetoric as "I'm moving to Canada if <...>". Never happens in any meaningful numbers.
flopsamjetsam 7mo ago
> When money is gone, the military is gone. I feel like the lesson from other countries is that the military will be the last thing to go. Public funding of everything else will be sacrificed to keep the military powerful, and leaders will be from the military. That will be a complete breakdown of democracy of course.

PaulDavisThe1st 7mo ago

It's not the military that makes it impossible. It's the incredible level of interwoven left/right, progressive/conservative, urban/rural populations in more or less every state. More people voted for the current president in CA than in more or less any other state. Yet it is viewed as a "blue" state. The millions of Democratic voters in large cities like Houston or Atlanta may not control their state legislatures, but they are not going to sit by as those legislatures attempt to secede. Rural voters across most states are not going to sit by while their urban-controlled legislatures attempt to secede. We don't have "peripheral" states here, and we don't have "red or blue" states. We have a mostly urban/rural divide that does not follow state boundaries in any sense at all.

garte 7mo ago
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righthand 7mo ago
People are building bunkers and tax avoidance as protest is becoming popular again. I think all people want is to secede.
- PaulDavisThe1st 7mo ago
  These are niche behaviors. Most Americans live where they live, plan to remain there (with the possible exception of what is left of the trans community in nominally red states, and some women in similar states). If and when the shit truly hits the fan (to the extent that it has not already done so), most Americans will be right where they are now, without bunkers and having filed their taxes.
  - righthand 7mo ago
    I’m not talking about how most people are operating. I’m talking about the current thought movements going on and what people are doing because of the times. These are each niche things that are becoming popularized ideas. The divide you’re talking about Red vs Blue is not where strong bonds lie. We can see that from the extreme flip-flopping on Trump by various demographics and the similarities between Maga and Democratic party being built through small disparate demographics. It might take another 5 or 10 years but people will probably largely stop paying federal taxes and put the money into savings or something elsewhere.
    - mlrtime 7mo ago
      >current thought movements Are just those, thoughts. Show me any real statistics that the average family is making hard changes. It's the same rhetoric as "I'm moving to Canada if <...>". Never happens in any meaningful numbers.

flopsamjetsam 7mo ago

> When money is gone, the military is gone. I feel like the lesson from other countries is that the military will be the last thing to go. Public funding of everything else will be sacrificed to keep the military powerful, and leaders will be from the military. That will be a complete breakdown of democracy of course.