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Bots really are ruining the internet, and are one of the driving factors in a lot of the identity verification and age gating. Both pressures are going to combi

Bots really are ruining the internet, and are one of the driving factors in a lot of the identity verification and age gating. Both pressures are going to combine to destroy what we once had with the internet.

varispeed 7mo ago
> in a lot of the identity verification and age gating This won't change anything. Likely will just open a market for trading verified accounts and spam will continue.
- ranger_danger 7mo ago
  I think that could get shot down real quick though. Accounts/identities that are known to have been shared could be flagged as stolen and now anyone who tries to use it gets burned. Then the question is, what happens to the poor guy whose identity was stolen? As it is I already can't view half the sites on the internet due to endless captcha loops.
  - varispeed 7mo ago
    Not necessarily stolen. People desperate for money could be "fronting" the accounts.
    - ranger_danger 7mo ago
      yes that too. recently there was a post on the red site saying that they thought the invite tree system worked well. https://abyss.fish/tree-style_invite_systems_reduce_AI_slop https://abyss.fish/tree-style_invite_systems_reduce_AI_slop
- dd8601fn 7mo ago
  Many of those are self-reporting, anyway. It's not there to stop bots.
bonesss 7mo ago
I get less concerned about LLMs taking or jobs by the day, and more convinced they’ve already taken away our internet. There was a time of BBS and text based systems where only genuine humans could participate, and a lusty lady on mIRC was at worst some dude pretending. Now I’m half a page into HN posts and realizing I have yet again been duped into losing some life to some jagoffs lying bot and work is just as bad. The constant drip-drip of what’s-the-point makes the whole thing seem performative and hostile.
- mingus88 7mo ago
  I think the answer is to retreat to networks where there is no profit motive The internet was a utopia back when corporations weren’t even aware that they could register a domain name Social media and consolidation of all traffic into a few platforms has led us to the dystopia of today.
uyzstvqs 7mo ago
It's nothing new though. Forum spam has been around since the early internet. The only difference is that spammers use LLMs now, instead of $0.08 worth of "freelance writing".

varispeed 7mo ago

> in a lot of the identity verification and age gating This won't change anything. Likely will just open a market for trading verified accounts and spam will continue.

ranger_danger 7mo ago
I think that could get shot down real quick though. Accounts/identities that are known to have been shared could be flagged as stolen and now anyone who tries to use it gets burned. Then the question is, what happens to the poor guy whose identity was stolen? As it is I already can't view half the sites on the internet due to endless captcha loops.
- varispeed 7mo ago
  Not necessarily stolen. People desperate for money could be "fronting" the accounts.
  - ranger_danger 7mo ago
    yes that too. recently there was a post on the red site saying that they thought the invite tree system worked well. https://abyss.fish/tree-style_invite_systems_reduce_AI_slop https://abyss.fish/tree-style_invite_systems_reduce_AI_slop
dd8601fn 7mo ago
Many of those are self-reporting, anyway. It's not there to stop bots.

bonesss 7mo ago

I get less concerned about LLMs taking or jobs by the day, and more convinced they’ve already taken away our internet. There was a time of BBS and text based systems where only genuine humans could participate, and a lusty lady on mIRC was at worst some dude pretending. Now I’m half a page into HN posts and realizing I have yet again been duped into losing some life to some jagoffs lying bot and work is just as bad. The constant drip-drip of what’s-the-point makes the whole thing seem performative and hostile.

mingus88 7mo ago
I think the answer is to retreat to networks where there is no profit motive The internet was a utopia back when corporations weren’t even aware that they could register a domain name Social media and consolidation of all traffic into a few platforms has led us to the dystopia of today.

uyzstvqs 7mo ago

It's nothing new though. Forum spam has been around since the early internet. The only difference is that spammers use LLMs now, instead of $0.08 worth of "freelance writing".