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Well, if it becomes strategically advantageous to bar Europeans from doing so, why would we (Europeans) be permitted continued access?

ambicapter 7mo ago
Weird how all the American social media companies continue to try to operate in Europe in spit of the massive fines they keep on racking up in court. They can't help themselves, if there is money to be made they got to get in there.
- CalRobert 7mo ago
  Social media is a tool to shift public opinion and extract cash from the general populous. Claude, however, is actually useful.
  - overfeed 7mo ago
    The US government and software industry do not want Europe using Chinese AI for similar soft power reasons. A 1-billion strong market acclimating to Chinese *aaS is a net-loss for the US - see the panic about Canada allowing a few thousand Chinese cars
A_D_E_P_T 7mo ago
Open models are, at worst, a few months behind SOTA closed models. This has been the case since 2024, and there's no indication that it's going to change. You don't need anybody to permit you access. You can, in all seriousness, thank Meta and the Chinese for this.
- xenihn 7mo ago
  "A few months" is an incredibly long time when the gap is widening on a daily basis.
- echelon 7mo ago
  > Open models are, at worst, a few months behind SOTA closed models. What open models are "a few months behind" Claude Code Opus, Google Nano Banana Pro, or ByteDance Seedance 2.0? Another big problem with the open models is that the ecosystem targets consumer GPUs rather than running in the cloud. The future is a thin client world with stuff at the edge being generations behind in performance.
  - A_D_E_P_T 7mo ago
    > Claude Code Opus Kimi K2.5 is quite literally just a few months behind, at worst. In many cases it already outperforms Opus 4.5 (and reliably outperforms Sonnet), and it's not really that far from Opus 4.6. I'm less familiar with the video/image side of things. > Another big problem with the open models is that the ecosystem targets consumer GPUs No, this is something of a misconception. It's quite difficult to run a model like K2.5 truly locally. But any nation-state or sufficiently large corporation can get its hands on HPC clusters and run it freely, without needing permission from anybody.

ambicapter 7mo ago

Weird how all the American social media companies continue to try to operate in Europe in spit of the massive fines they keep on racking up in court. They can't help themselves, if there is money to be made they got to get in there.

CalRobert 7mo ago
Social media is a tool to shift public opinion and extract cash from the general populous. Claude, however, is actually useful.
- overfeed 7mo ago
  The US government and software industry do not want Europe using Chinese AI for similar soft power reasons. A 1-billion strong market acclimating to Chinese *aaS is a net-loss for the US - see the panic about Canada allowing a few thousand Chinese cars

A_D_E_P_T 7mo ago

Open models are, at worst, a few months behind SOTA closed models. This has been the case since 2024, and there's no indication that it's going to change. You don't need anybody to permit you access. You can, in all seriousness, thank Meta and the Chinese for this.

xenihn 7mo ago
"A few months" is an incredibly long time when the gap is widening on a daily basis.
echelon 7mo ago
> Open models are, at worst, a few months behind SOTA closed models. What open models are "a few months behind" Claude Code Opus, Google Nano Banana Pro, or ByteDance Seedance 2.0? Another big problem with the open models is that the ecosystem targets consumer GPUs rather than running in the cloud. The future is a thin client world with stuff at the edge being generations behind in performance.
- A_D_E_P_T 7mo ago
  > Claude Code Opus Kimi K2.5 is quite literally just a few months behind, at worst. In many cases it already outperforms Opus 4.5 (and reliably outperforms Sonnet), and it's not really that far from Opus 4.6. I'm less familiar with the video/image side of things. > Another big problem with the open models is that the ecosystem targets consumer GPUs No, this is something of a misconception. It's quite difficult to run a model like K2.5 truly locally. But any nation-state or sufficiently large corporation can get its hands on HPC clusters and run it freely, without needing permission from anybody.