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I'm already running an LLM locally. This is just me renting space in a data center. Since when did we restrict people's ability to do things? For the record my
by hparadiz 8mo ago
I'm already running an LLM locally. This is just me renting space in a data center. Since when did we restrict people's ability to do things? For the record my local models run off the solar bolted to my roof. Even including the data center I'm using 1/10th of the energy we were using on tube monitors back in the 90s. This is exhausting. My GPU would be demonstrably using more power by playing a videogame right now than when I run a local LLM.
- jrmg 8mo agoSince when did we restrict people's ability to do things? This question is not the obvious winner you think it is. To me, and I am sure many, it sort of undermines your argument. Even in the most ‘free' cultures, society has _always_ restricted people’s individual ability to do things that it collectively deems harmful to the whole society.
- hparadiz 8mo agoThis is literally why America was founded. Too many people stifle innovation. Move to Europe if you want to be stuck in the 20th century frankly. That doesn't mean we can't take care of folks. But the ludites need to get the fuck out of the way. You're all exhausting.
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- pocksuppet 8mo agoAmerica was founded because rich people didn't want to pay taxes.
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- calgoo 8mo agoPlease, don't be so negative about the rest of the world. No one has any idea what would have happened if the US did not create their country the way they did. This is the same level of under-appreciation of humans that the ancient aliens people have when they say its impossible for humans to have built the pyramids. Lets be constructive instead of just hating on everyone else please.
- hparadiz 8mo agoI was born in Europe. I know this for a fact. The difference in "can do" culture between old world and new world is everything. There's a reason Europe still doesn't have a self landing rocket. They aren't even trying. It's crabs in a bucket mentality writ large. I wish it weren't so. Yet it is.
- pocksuppet 8mo agoIt's partially true but it's not as true as doomers would like. It's not America: innovation=yes, Europe: innovation=no. Most of the American innovation came from a small number of very rich people. It has a lot of very poor people as a consequence.
- Arainach 8mo ago> Most of the American innovation came from a small number of very rich people Replace "came from" with "was purchased by" or "was copied by an entity with the resources to push the inventor out of the market" and you're getting a lot closer.
- pocksuppet 8mo agoHow about "was driven by" This encompasses rich people telling others what to do, and it also encompasses others doing work they think they can sell to rich people. I think in Europe, people are just overall a bit more chill, and happy people don't feel the need to join the ultra-competitive scramble to the top, they're fine doing enough work but not an extreme amount.
- jrmg 8mo agoAnd people in the late 1700s were just allowed to do anything? (The answer to that is obviously ‘no’). I’m not even in complete disagreement with your opinion on data centers (like, people are coming up with noise, water use, pollution and traffic arguments about why a data center should not replace a recently controversially closed paper mill near me, which is ridiculous), but your argument doesn’t work. You need to change it if you want to convince people.
- Arainach 8mo ago>Since when did we restrict people's ability to do things? When those things impact other people - such as by skyrocketing utility prices, overloading the electrical grid, and more.
- hparadiz 8mo agoI thought this was a free market? Or is that not how things work anymore?
- Arainach 8mo agoNever has been. A totally free market doesn't work and has failed every time it was tried. You want one today, go set up shop in Somalia.
- hparadiz 8mo agoI can't respect that opinion. It's full of holes.
- Arainach 8mo agoHoles such as what? There have always been rules and laws. The US has never been a totally free market. Most of the laws and rules we have were written in blood by people professing a "free market" right to poison our people, rivers, air, and more.
- hparadiz 8mo agoAmerica was largely a free market until the 1920s. Since then more regulations have actually increased the cost of living. The healthcare problem in America has a lot to do with increased regulations. For one we have a fixed limit on how many doctors can graduate every year. That was put in place by the medical lobby in the US. Ever since then healthcare costs have increased exponentially. Tale as old as time. This happens with every single new rule put in place. Rent control does the same thing. Prices just go up. This includes NIMBY laws.
- moate 8mo ago>>when did we restrict people's abilities to do things? That's literally what most laws are, saying what you can and can't do. This is like, a foundational understanding of what government/regulation is. >>this is just me renting space... Okay, so a "network effect" is when things have greater impact due to larger usage. So the data center usage that you're talking about does not represent the overall impact of the data center. Saying "I only pour ONE cup of bleach into the ocean, so I don't see why it's so bad to have the bleach factory pump all its waste in as well" is a WILD take.
- sumeno 8mo ago> Since when did we restrict people's ability to do things? At least 4000 years ago, but that's just the earliest we have evidence for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Ur-Nammu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Ur-Nammu
- hparadiz 8mo agoI don't think you understand the qualifier. I meant in the tradition of liberal free markets that have unlocked human potential on the global scale. I'm saying no it's actually good that you don't have to ask the local government when you want to do something. If American style free markets didn't gain traction we'd still be doing subsistence farming.
- tadfisher 8mo agoThe thing is, since we recognized that such a tradition led to the unfettered destruction of the natural environment which we depend upon to survive, we have decided that local governments should be responsible for preserving said environment by regulating the destructive actions performed by the liberal free market. Not doing so will even destroy our ability to perform subsistence farming in the long run.